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  Re: [courier-users] Challenge-response supported for general email server?         


Author: Gordon Messmer
Date: Jul 15, 2008 16:11

Steve Poe wrote:
>
> The small company I work for has an email server where they want
> to create an approved/whitelist for emails coming from the outside. For
> example,
> I email johnsmith@abc.com abc.com>. the abc.com
> <http://abc.com> mailserver does not see my email
> address in approved list for the user account and/or as a company-wide
> contact list, so the abc.com <http://abc.com> mail server sends a reply
> to me to confirm I sent
> the email that I *really* wanted to send the email to john@abc.com
> abc.com>.

It can be *done*. TMDA is one project that can do it, but I strongly
recommend that you not pursue this. There are two major problems which
can not be solved, both with the same root cause: spammers will use fake
return addresses.
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  Re: [courier-users] Challenge-response supported for general emailserver?         


Author: Jérôme Blion
Date: Jul 15, 2008 15:48

Steve Poe a écrit :
> Esa,
>
> I am researching for my boss/company. Obtaining the pros/cons
> on all sides is what I need to do. Why do you feel its okay to pay
> for others spam? What options/solutions do you have?
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Steve

Hi again.
One thing you really have to keep in mind: If you send a mail back to
the sender, you can be blacklisted very easily !!!
It's so easy to forge email addresses that you should never trust an
email sender before having filtered it.

HTH.
Jerome Blion.
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  Re: [courier-users] Challenge-response supported for general email server?         


Author: Jérôme Blion
Date: Jul 15, 2008 15:46

Steve Poe a écrit :
> Jérôme,
>
> Thank you for your response.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, again, but is there any special we need for
> greylisting?
> We do use spamassassin.
>
> Is there any control we can give back to the users for managing their own
> approved list of email addresses?
>
> Steve
Spamassassin is a content filter. It's heavy and loads machines.
Greylisting is an easy and light way to block most spammers.
In order to have greylisting working, you just need to find a filter
which do it. Like courier-pythonfilter. Gordon Messmer published a new
release 2 days ago !

http://www.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/courier-pythonfilter/
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  Re: [courier-users] Challenge-response supported for general emailserver?         


Author: Enda
Date: Jul 15, 2008 13:24

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Steve Poe gmail.com> wrote:
> I am new to email servers, so pardon my ignorance.
>
> The small company I work for has an email server where they want
> to create an approved/whitelist for emails coming from the outside. For
> example,
> I email johnsmith@abc.com. the abc.com mailserver does not see my email
> address in approved list for the user account and/or as a company-wide
> contact list, so the abc.com mail server sends a reply to me to confirm I
> sent
> the email that I *really* wanted to send the email to john@abc.com.
> Meanwhile,
> John receives my email, after confirmation of my response, then he adds me
> to his personal contact/approved list. The mail administrator found out
> that
> I am
> a new client of abc.com so I am added to the company-wide approved list.
>
> We are running Courier 0.53 on Centos Linux 4.4
> ...
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  [courier-users] [<dotnum>] SMTP FROM Syntax (WAS: RE: DRAC 5 From Line)         


Author: Brian A. Seklecki
Date: Jul 15, 2008 07:49

Page 30 of rfc821.txt actually indicates that "[123.255.37.2]" is a
valid SMTP FROM syntax:

ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc821.txt

::= | "."
::= | "#" | "[" "]"

" Sometimes a host is not known to the translation function and
communication is blocked. To bypass this barrier two numeric
forms are also allowed for host "names". One form is a decimal
integer prefixed by a pound sign, "#", which indicates the
number is the address of the host. Another form is four small
decimal integers separated by dots and enclosed by brackets,
e.g., "[123.255.37.2]", which indicates a 32-bit ARPA Internet
Address in four 8-bit fields."

I'm not surprised that modern MTAs reject it, though. Courier wants
nothing to do with it, and I can't blame it.

~BAS

On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 15:05 -0400, Brian A. Seklecki wrote:
> Also there is a thread on this on the OpenManage forums, but the reply
> button is broken so no one can follow-up (Or more likely my PowerConnect...
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