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]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 21:04:21 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/teen_scared_awaiting_transfer_to_state_prison_62312510t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/teen_scared_awaiting_transfer_to_state_prison_62312510t.html TELUS.NET> wrote:
> WA women inmates allege sex assaults
> Seattle, WA, USA
> The Washington state prison system is
> investigating allegations that four male
> guards at the main women's penitentiary
> sexually assaulted two inmates. ...http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/64=
20AP_WA_Inmate_Sex_Probe.html
> See all stories on this topic:http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ncl=3Dh=
ttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/l...
>
> Prison closure postponed
> Escanaba, MI, USA
> "Michigan has the sixth largest prison system,
> a very high rate of recidivism, and long prison
> stays due to mandatory sentencing guidelines....http://www.dailypress.net=
/stories/articles.asp?articleID=3D12584
> See all stories on this topic:http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ncl=3Dh=
ttp://www.dailypress.net/stori...
>
> Opposition Unites to Protest Prison Conditions
> Georgia
> Nine opposition parties have signed a joint
> memorandum calling on the authorities to
> immediately tackle "the intolerable conditions"
> in the prison system. ...http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=3Dhome&newsid=
=3D6036
> See all stories on this topic:http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ncl=3Dh=
ttp://www.geotimes.ge/index.ph...
>
> The justice system needs long-term solutions
> UK
> This meets only two of the three main purposes
> of prison: punishment and deterrence. And yet it
> is the neglect of the third purpose, rehabilitation,...http://www.timeson=
line.co.uk/tol/comment/debate/letters/article219572...
> See all stories on this topic:http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ncl=3Dh=
ttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/to...
>
> Transgender ex-inmate loses suit
> San Francisco, CA, USA
> Giraldo had asked Judge Ellen Chaitin to
> order the prison system to come up with a
> policy to protect transgender inmates. But
> the judge dismissed the claim, ...http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c=
gi?f=3D/c/a/2007/08/03/BAEURC7QN...
> See all stories on this topic:http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ncl=3Dh=
ttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/a...
>
> Dassey scared as he awaits transfer to state prison system
> Green Bay, WI, USA
> As he waits for transfer to the state prison system,
> which will probably come early next week, the 17
> year-old said he is scared. ...http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/p=
bcs.dll/article?AID=3D/200708...
> See all stories on this topic:http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&ncl=3Dh=
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]]> Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:02:33 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990782t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990782t.html Maxim Sobolev wrote:
>
> > Scott Long wrote:
> >
> >> David O'Brien wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 12:17:19PM -0400, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was thinking of doing something like that. You can basically
> >>>> get the same info by doing something like:
> >>>> file - < /dev/ad0s1e
> >>>> /dev/stdin: Unix Fast File system (little-endian)
> >>>> file - < /dev/ad0s4
> >>>> /dev/stdin: SGI XFS filesystem
> >>>>
> >>>> I leaned away from this approach in mount(8) because:
> >>>> - I didn't want to tie mount(8) to file(1)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Why not? We have libmagic for purposes like this.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This is an interesting idea. However, it has the potential to
> >> add a dependency on /usr to the early boot environment. Maybe it
> >> could be done via rtld?
> >
> >
> > Well, we have dynamic /sbin now, so that it's only the matter of moving
> > libmagic into /lib.
> >
> > -Maxim
>
> libmagic depends on libz. Let's not go down the path of populating
> /lib with every convenience under the sun.
>
and
/usr/share/misc/magic

btw, the idea of mount figuring out the nount-type has allot of merit,
but using a 10 ton hammer is not the way.

danny


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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:19:33 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990526t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990526t.html
> Scott Long wrote:
>
>> David O'Brien wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 12:17:19PM -0400, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking of doing something like that. You can basically
>>>> get the same info by doing something like:
>>>> file - < /dev/ad0s1e
>>>> /dev/stdin: Unix Fast File system (little-endian)
>>>> file - < /dev/ad0s4
>>>> /dev/stdin: SGI XFS filesystem
>>>>
>>>> I leaned away from this approach in mount(8) because:
>>>> - I didn't want to tie mount(8) to file(1)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not? We have libmagic for purposes like this.
>>>
>>
>> This is an interesting idea. However, it has the potential to
>> add a dependency on /usr to the early boot environment. Maybe it
>> could be done via rtld?
>
>
> Well, we have dynamic /sbin now, so that it's only the matter of moving
> libmagic into /lib.
>
> -Maxim

libmagic depends on libz. Let's not go down the path of populating
/lib with every convenience under the sun.

Scott

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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:36:14 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990270t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990270t.html > David O'Brien wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 12:17:19PM -0400, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking of doing something like that. You can basically
>>> get the same info by doing something like:
>>> file - < /dev/ad0s1e
>>> /dev/stdin: Unix Fast File system (little-endian)
>>> file - < /dev/ad0s4
>>> /dev/stdin: SGI XFS filesystem
>>>
>>> I leaned away from this approach in mount(8) because:
>>> - I didn't want to tie mount(8) to file(1)
>>
>>
>> Why not? We have libmagic for purposes like this.
>>
>
> This is an interesting idea. However, it has the potential to
> add a dependency on /usr to the early boot environment. Maybe it
> could be done via rtld?

Well, we have dynamic /sbin now, so that it's only the matter of moving
libmagic into /lib.

-Maxim
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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:13:51 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990014t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4990014t.html > On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 12:17:19PM -0400, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
>
>>I was thinking of doing something like that. You can basically
>>get the same info by doing something like:
>>file - < /dev/ad0s1e
>>/dev/stdin: Unix Fast File system (little-endian)
>>file - < /dev/ad0s4
>>/dev/stdin: SGI XFS filesystem
>>
>>I leaned away from this approach in mount(8) because:
>>- I didn't want to tie mount(8) to file(1)
>
>
> Why not? We have libmagic for purposes like this.
>

This is an interesting idea. However, it has the potential to
add a dependency on /usr to the early boot environment. Maybe it
could be done via rtld?

Scott

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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:41:27 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4989758t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4989758t.html > I was thinking of doing something like that. You can basically
> get the same info by doing something like:
> file - < /dev/ad0s1e
> /dev/stdin: Unix Fast File system (little-endian)
> file - < /dev/ad0s4
> /dev/stdin: SGI XFS filesystem
>
> I leaned away from this approach in mount(8) because:
> - I didn't want to tie mount(8) to file(1)

Why not? We have libmagic for purposes like this.

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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:43:46 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4989502t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4989502t.html > >lead to all kinds of funnies. Linux does this (iterating all filesystem
> >types in kernel) for the special case of the root filesystem where mount(8)
> >is not available, and it showeds various interesting bugs at least in the
> >fat driver.
> >
>
> How does it resolve situations like with UDF vs iso9660, where both
> structures can co-exist?

The kernel doesn't do anything fancy. It just walks the list of filesystem
and the first fs that takes it gets it. To answer the specific example
iso9660 is registered before udf so if you wanted to use a dual-fs cdrom
as root you would get iso9600 unless you specified the rootfstype=udf
boot option.
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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:41:59 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4989246t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/rfc_mount_can_figure_out_fstype_automatically_4989246t.html > On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 01:06:02PM -0600, Scott Long wrote:
>
>>So in your opinion and experience, what are the pros and cons of
>>maintaining a table of magic numbers?
>
>
> The feature is imensely useful. The implementation won't win any
> points for a clean design but works very well in practice. I think
> it's definitly better than probing in the kernel because letting a filesystem
> driver try to make sense of something that's not it's own format can
> lead to all kinds of funnies. Linux does this (iterating all filesystem
> types in kernel) for the special case of the root filesystem where mount(8)
> is not available, and it showeds various interesting bugs at least in the
> fat driver.
>

How does it resolve situations like with UDF vs iso9660, where both
structures can co-exist?

Scott

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]]> Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:33:37 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/vlans_and_cloning_4988990t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/mailing.freebsd.arch/vlans_and_cloning_4988990t.html > On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:52:33AM +0200, Andre Oppermann wrote:
> > Sam Leffler wrote:
> > >I committed the revised netif cloning api so you can now specify
> > >parameters when cloning. I also modified the vlan code to use this
> > >mechanism so doing something like:
> > >
> > >ifconfig vlan create vlan 1 vlandev em0
> > >
> >
> > /me wants to do:
> >
> > "ifconfig em0.1 inet 192.168.2.2/24"
> >
> > Even simpler. And yes, this works already but only if if_vlan.ko
> > was loaded before or compiled into the kernel. It doesn't do auto-
> > load.
>
> Unless cause ifconfig to autoload all if_ modules when cloning fails,
> it's impossiable to support this without having if_vlan loaded. That
> said the current plan it to eliminate if_vlan and integrate vlan support
> directly into if_ethersubr.c to allow use to correctly handle the
> default vlan case among otherthings.

Is anyone working on this? The bridge code needs access to the vlan tag
to properly hash the address as each vlan is a seperate broadcast
domain, this would be much easier with vlan merged to if_ethersubr.c.


Andrew
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