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Author: Wouter VerhelstWouter Verhelst Date: Feb 13, 2007 08:20
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 12:07:34PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Having a record of who voted for whom is a good default. Since we don't have
> any typical real-world election abuses in Debian (e.g. intimidation or
> harming of people who voted for someone you don't like), I see no serious
> negative consequences to publishing the votes.
"I don't like this person, but I have to work with him in this project,
so I would like to hide that fact from him/her. I don't want to rank
him/her above NOTA, but I also don't want to have to explain that"
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Author: Josip RodinJosip Rodin Date: Feb 13, 2007 14:30
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:17:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> Having a record of who voted for whom is a good default. Since we don't
>> have any typical real-world election abuses in Debian (e.g. intimidation
>> or harming of people who voted for someone you don't like), I see no
>> serious negative consequences to publishing the votes.
>
> "I don't like this person, but I have to work with him in this project,
> so I would like to hide that fact from him/her. I don't want to rank
> him/her above NOTA, but I also don't want to have to explain that"
Okay, that's a good point. I'm not automatically convinced that it's a
seriously negative thing, however. This kind of openness can obviously
cause some friction, but do we have any real evidence that says it's
an insurmountable obstacle?
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Author: MJ RayMJ Ray Date: Feb 14, 2007 13:20
Wouter Verhelst debian.org> wrote:
> "I don't like this person, but I have to work with him in this project,
> so I would like to hide that fact from him/her. I don't want to rank
> him/her above NOTA, but I also don't want to have to explain that"
So, what can one conclude about debian from the above justification?
Are candidates petty and personal enough to wage vendettas if you
don't vote for them? Do voters think that enough candidates are that
crass that it would be a problem? Are voters unwilling to take a full
part in democracy and face being asked to justify their vote?
In short, do debian voters not have the courage to stand up and be
counted? Actually, I believe some haven't: one who told me in private
mail that they would vote to recall the DPL didn't do so, after it
became obvious it was a public vote.
I think the vote should be public, but there should also be harsh
penalties for anyone acting on those votes outside the election.
If there's no good way to do that, then allow it to be secret, but
that's about the only valid reason to me.
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Author: Andreas SchuldeiAndreas Schuldei Date: Feb 14, 2007 15:20
* Wouter Verhelst (wouter@ debian.org) [070213 17:18]:
> "I don't like this person, but I have to work with him in this project,
> so I would like to hide that fact from him/her. I don't want to rank
> him/her above NOTA, but I also don't want to have to explain that"
that problem can easily be avoided by running for office
yourself. everyone will understand that you rank yourself
highest!
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