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Please, stop this hurting vendetta, don't you think enough time has passed ?         


Author: Sven Luther
Date: Aug 29, 2008 17:30

Hello, ...

This is the first time in the over-a-year that i have been banned from the
debian mailing lists that i try to go around the ban to post an appeal to
the whole debian community. And i am sorry to come again with this.

I write this, because even despite what debian has done to me, i still
follow the debian lists, i still counsel people to use debian, i still try
to help as i can, and i still believe that the debian project, and the
majority of DDs and associated are nice and friendly people believing in a
noble cause.

I write this, because even after a year and more after having been expulsed
and reduced to silence like i was, my heart is still bleeding and my soul
hurting each time i am again and again repeatedly hurt and humiliated, and i
don't understand how it is possible that some people in debia still have the
need to come after me like they do over a year after the facts.
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Re: Please, stop this hurting vendetta, don't you think enough time has passed ?         


Author: MJ Ray
Date: Aug 30, 2008 03:50

"Sven Luther" gmail.com> wrote:
> There are two recent events which made me decide to write this mail, and
> circumvent the ban, which is something which i have not done in over a year.
[...]
> - [...someone] chose to use
> my name in a contempting way, and nobody thought it worth to critic him.
>
> - [an emdebian meeting which] i am not
> allowed to go is because of the opinion of the DPL about me.

This is a slightly modified repost of a DD-only email. If I've got
any of this wrong, please contact me off-list.

Before commenting, those who can should read the
debian-private.200706* archive and familiarise oneself with a sample
of the situation (it may become public in 2010-06). Also, I feel
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.project/11951
(about the preceding expulsion) may be relevant.

One public announcement of this ban was
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2007/07/msg00111.html

As I understand it:
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Re: Please, stop this hurting vendetta, don't you think enough time has passed ?         


Author: Hector Oron
Date: Aug 30, 2008 06:00

Hello,

Sven Luther was invited to the Extremadura event, and people in the
group was asked and nobody was uncomfortable with him, so we (mostly I
did) decided it was ok for him to come. After some time it looks like
there is some people arround that place by that time that it is not
comfortable with him, so we started an argument on if Sven could
participate and integrate back into Debian slowly or be excluded by
the moment (ever?). DPL made latest decision, whom we should respect.

This comment is done to clarify some bits not to start a flame nor to
chat about it.

Regards

--
Héctor Orón

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Re: Please, stop this hurting vendetta, don't you think enough time has passed ?         


Author: Lucas Nussbaum
Date: Aug 30, 2008 09:40

On 30/08/08 at 02:03 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> - in a thread about some guy who chose to hide is name probably to
> circumvent a similar ban than i am under, and accuse the debian governance
> of all kind of evil acts, in maybe a clumsy way, Martin Shulze chose to use
> my name in a contempting way, and nobody thought it worth to critic him.

[...]
> And yes, i made mistakes, numerous mistakes back then, who doesn't make
> them.

I believe that Martin Schulze's email was a mistake, and I also regret
that nobody took the time to publicly express his disagreement with what
was written.

FWIW, I completely agree that using your name in that way was
inappropriate, and understand why you felt hurted by that.
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