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ideals, guidelines and rules         


Author: Luipher Fhang
Date: Aug 14, 2008 04:50

Before I get to the points I try to make regarding the subject of
this nonperfectly formed mail:

- dont flame as reaction to my mail.
it would break the code of confuct of this mailing list.
and it would possibly cause other problems.

- dont label this mail as off-topic when its clearly focused on
the debian project or problems related to the debian project.

- dont use any kind of defacements when you simply dont agree or
dont like what you read.

Its quite sad that you explicitly have to mention these 3 things,
but when you look over the archives of this mailing list only for
the last 18 months you will find this is necessary.

For some strange reason the listmaster team is sometimes pretty
quick when it gets to blacklisting people who voiced unpleasant
things here - often as reaction to a few begging DD's.
But quite a long list of Debian Developers are not blacklisted
when they flame, deface and abuse. Just the opposite. They seem
to have a growing fanbase within the Debian project.

Example 1: June 2007
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Re: ideals, guidelines and rules         


Author: MJ Ray
Date: Aug 14, 2008 06:10

"Luipher Fhang" googlemail.com> wrote: [...]
> Example 1: June 2007 [DPL election, IRC channels, 1 thread]
> Example 2: January and February 2008 [3 threads]
> Example 3: August 2008 [2 threads]
> Can you see the trend?

Yes. According to that, things appear to be getting better.
> [...] since the Hans Reiser Syndrome (this could become my first ever
> contribution to wikipedia) we know that hundreds of Debian project
> members have not only a very high potential to grow social violence
> within all kinds of groups (and the victims then need to be shot).
> We also see a huge problem with trust, right?

Not huge, but a problem. Also, there is no Hans Reiser Syndrome in
wikipedia at this time.
> Will you keep running Debian on production systems were security
> matters a lot?

Yes. The open approach is very good for security.
> Will you buy a new computer with Debian on it when you know very
> well that you cant ask other people who run Debian, because you
> could end up like a black sheep - like ... you know, PADDY?
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re: ideals, guidelines and rules         


Author: Luipher Fhang
Date: Aug 14, 2008 07:20

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:08 PM, MJ Ray phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>> Can you see the trend?
> Yes. According to that, things appear to be getting better.

Oh yeah?
Because of the part you dont quote, that cyber execution of uncomfy
people is the prefered method for fixing social problems?
>> [...] since the Hans Reiser Syndrome (this could become my first ever
>> contribution to wikipedia) we know that hundreds of Debian project
>> members have not only a very high potential to grow social violence
>> within all kinds of groups (and the victims then need to be shot).
>> We also see a huge problem with trust, right?
> Not huge, but a problem. Also, there is no Hans Reiser Syndrome in
> wikipedia at this time.

"this could become my first ever contribution to wikipedia" means that
I still have not made any contributions, yes.
> [...] The open approach is very good for security.
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Re: ideals, guidelines and rules         


Author: Steve Langasek
Date: Aug 14, 2008 15:50

Please note that when "Luipher Fhang" writes that
> For some strange reason the listmaster team is sometimes pretty
> quick when it gets to blacklisting people who voiced unpleasant
> things here -

He is, in fact, referring to himself. Luipher Fhang, Bruno Brandris,
catbugs, and Patrick Frank are one and the same. Please do not reward his
unwillingness to abide by the decisions of the listmasters (and IRC channel
ops) by engaging him when he circumvents bans.

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Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/
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