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Author: Christof AdamsChristof Adams Date: Feb 27, 2008 06:20
Hallo Francois,
I am a long time user of debian. In the updating process i found the
programm "dopewars" you maintain. As a user i much apreciate the work of
volunteers like you in the packing and handling of the debian software
packages.
But do we really need a game like this in the debian distribution, given the
casualties and problems which drugs, there use and the dealing cause.
Please think over it and remove this package and others with comparable
content. You might find other packages which deserve your time better.
Thanks for reading my notice
Christof Adams
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Author: Nico GoldeNico Golde Date: Feb 27, 2008 06:50
Hi Christof,
* Christof Adams [2008-02-27 15:22]:
> I am a long time user of debian. In the updating process i found the
> programm "dopewars" you maintain. As a user i much apreciate the work of
> volunteers like you in the packing and handling of the debian software
> packages.
>
> But do we really need a game like this in the debian distribution, given the
> casualties and problems which drugs, there use and the dealing cause.
>
> Please think over it and remove this package and others with comparable
> content. You might find other packages which deserve your time better.
Debian is called the universal OS, not the drug free OS.
Cheers
Nico
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Author: Stephen GranStephen Gran Date: Feb 27, 2008 07:40
This one time, at band camp, Christof Adams said:
>
> Hallo Francois,
>
> I am a long time user of debian. In the updating process i found the
> programm "dopewars" you maintain. As a user i much apreciate the work of
> volunteers like you in the packing and handling of the debian software
> packages.
>
> But do we really need a game like this in the debian distribution, given the
> casualties and problems which drugs, there use and the dealing cause.
>
> Please think over it and remove this package and others with comparable
> content. You might find other packages which deserve your time better.
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Author: Dossy ShiobaraDossy Shiobara Date: Feb 27, 2008 08:10
On 2008.02.27, Stephen Gran debian.org> wrote:> I think it is useful to remember that many people have different
> thresholds for what they find offensive or funny.
Similar to non-free, perhaps Debian needs to have its packages moved to
drug-free, leaving packages like dopewars behind?
:-). :-). :-)
(Apply extra smileys liberally as needed.)
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Author: Nico GoldeNico Golde Date: Feb 27, 2008 08:40
Hi Stephen,
* Stephen Gran debian.org> [2008-02-27 16:40]:> This one time, at band camp, Christof Adams said:
>> I am a long time user of debian. In the updating process i found the
>> programm "dopewars" you maintain. As a user i much apreciate the work of
>> volunteers like you in the packing and handling of the debian software
>> packages.
>>
>> But do we really need a game like this in the debian distribution, given the
>> casualties and problems which drugs, there use and the dealing cause.
>>
>> Please think over it and remove this package and others with comparable
>> content. You might find other packages which deserve your time better.
>
> I think it is useful to remember that many people have different
> thresholds for what they find offensive or funny. So far, it has been
> Debian's policy to allow software into the distribution provided there is
> someone to maintain it (caveats about varying levels of maintainership
> aside). We are too broad a project to have a single set of values,
> and I think it wouldn't be all that useful to try to impose one. ...
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Author: Kevin MarkKevin Mark Date: Feb 27, 2008 09:10
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:00:27AM -0500, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
> On 2008.02.27, Stephen Gran debian.org> wrote:>> I think it is useful to remember that many people have different
>> thresholds for what they find offensive or funny.
>
> Similar to non-free, perhaps Debian needs to have its packages moved to
> drug-free, leaving packages like dopewars behind?
>
> :-). :-). :-)
>
> (Apply extra smileys liberally as needed.)
>
There was a recent incident with Wikipedia about it containing a page
with the image of mohammad. Muslims wanted this to be removed. Wikipedia
stood up for free speech and did not remove this image. The idea is that
free speech should be allowed and the choice should be left up to the
individual. So if you don't want to install/use a piece of software,
don't install/use it. Debian has various packages that contain
potentially offensive matter like the fortune packages. Debian also has
a subproject for children, so maybe you can use that installer to ensure ...
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Author: Christian SurchiChristian Surchi Date: Feb 27, 2008 09:40
On mer, 2008-02-27 at 15:00 +0100, Christof Adams wrote:
> Hallo Francois,
>
> I am a long time user of debian. In the updating process i found the
> programm "dopewars" you maintain. As a user i much apreciate the work of
> volunteers like you in the packing and handling of the debian software
> packages.
>
> But do we really need a game like this in the debian distribution, given the
> casualties and problems which drugs, there use and the dealing cause.
Oh, yes, of course, and I think we shouldn't also allow to be the
criminal Mr. X in our "londonlaw" package! ;-P
"...one player controls the movements of the criminal
Mr. X as he tries to evade Scotland Yard..."
bye
Christian
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Author: Stephen GranStephen Gran Date: Feb 27, 2008 10:20
This one time, at band camp, Nico Golde said:
> At least w3bfukk0r was not allowed
> to get into the archive because of its offensive name and
> hot-babe also never made its way into the archive.
You mean they were actually rejected by the ftp-master's, or you mean
the discussion convinced the maintainers not to upload? I honestly
don't know for the first, and my impression for the second was that all
the shouting convinced the prospective maintainer not to bother. I
don't see giving up and being told no as the same things.
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Author: Julien CristauJulien Cristau Date: Feb 27, 2008 10:30
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 18:13:12 +0000, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Nico Golde said:
>> At least w3bfukk0r was not allowed
>> to get into the archive because of its offensive name and
>> hot-babe also never made its way into the archive.
>
> You mean they were actually rejected by the ftp-master's, or you mean
> the discussion convinced the maintainers not to upload? I honestly
> don't know for the first, and my impression for the second was that all
> the shouting convinced the prospective maintainer not to bother. I
> don't see giving up and being told no as the same things.
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Author: Josselin MouetteJosselin Mouette Date: Feb 27, 2008 10:50
Le mercredi 27 février 2008 à 15:00 +0100, Christof Adams a écrit :
> Please think over it and remove this package and others with comparable
> content. You might find other packages which deserve your time better.
I agree. We should for example remove bible-kjv, which contains shocking
texts recommending to lapidate people. Given the casualties still caused
by lapidation and the seriousness of this human rights violation, we
should remove this package from the archive.
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