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Author: João Henrique FurtadoJoão Henrique Furtado Date: Dec 7, 2006 05:50
Hi, would like to know which day of December will be launched and version of the Debian Etch Stable.
Tank's.
João Henrique Furtado. São Paulo - Brazil.
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Author: Mike HommeyMike Hommey Date: Dec 12, 2006 11:20
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 06:15:03PM +1000, Anthony Towns azure.humbug.org.au> wrote:> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:11:31AM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> Anthony Towns azure.humbug.org.au> wrote:>>> Personally, I'd say that now would be the time for any anti-payment
>>> people to say "we can do this better, and look, we'll prove it", and make
>>> up their own target date for etch, and demonstrate how much energy and
>> Now if only you could understand that we don't give a shit about the
>> release date, that would be a great step forward.
>> Only quality matters.
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> Quality is not, and has never been, the question.
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> The question is whether we can hit our quality target without forcing our
> users to put up with obsolete software -- either the previous release's
> because...
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Author: Sven LutherSven Luther Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:10
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:07:27PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:11:07PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote:
>> It looks to me that you are now asking others to set up the
>> experimental protocol you failed to deliver when the "experiment" was
>> being discussed. As of now, anything that might happen can be reused for
>> a Dunc-Tank PR explaining how much the "experiment" helped.
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> As far as any hypothetical PR is concerned, "vocal critics of the
> Dunc-Tank procedure declined to contribute any effort to getting the
> release out sooner, even to demonstrate how effective Debian can be in
> the absence of paid work" seems like it would be entirely sufficient. I
> don't really see the point of caring about PR for Dunc-Tank though --
> from Debian's POV it's a separate...
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Author: AmayaAmaya Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:10
Marc Haber wrote:
> Otoh, I see a truckload of unpaid DDs vituperating and spreading bad
> mood around the project. _That's_ the real harm that was caused - very
> indirectly - by dunctank.
I tend to agree with you.
Real experiments are done in Lab conditions, in 0-gravity environments
and the such. Calling this a "experiment" is at least bad wording.
(My personal position is neither pro-money-for-DDs nor
anti-money-for-DDs).
But this is no serious experiment. I fear the huge troll upcoming when
Etch is released instead of the the huge clustered BBQs areoung the
globe.
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Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:20
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:59:24AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> One thing you could do is to end *NOW* the experiment,
Can you please roughly outline what is going to happen when the
experiment is continued until its scheduled end, and what's going to
happen when the experiment is aborted immediately as you suggested?
I would be interested in the difference of the two action lists.
Greetings
Marc
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Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:20
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006, Mike Hommey wrote:
> Which is why we release with gnome 2.14.
Actually, we cherry-picked some good 2.16 modules as well; nothing like
the full desktop, but still worth mentioning.
--
Loïc Minier dooz.org>
"Forget your stupid theme park! I'm gonna make my own! With hookers!
And blackjack! In fact, forget the theme park!"
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Author: Sam HocevarSam Hocevar Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:30
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:59:24AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
>> One thing you could do is to end *NOW* the experiment,
>
> Can you please roughly outline what is going to happen when the
> experiment is continued until its scheduled end, and what's going to
> happen when the experiment is aborted immediately as you suggested?
Apparently what would happen is irrelevant; the important thing, as
is explained to us, is that we learn from what happens.
Cheers,
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Author: Sven LutherSven Luther Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:40
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:11:19PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:59:24AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
>> One thing you could do is to end *NOW* the experiment,
>
> Can you please roughly outline what is going to happen when the
> experiment is continued until its scheduled end, and what's going to
> happen when the experiment is aborted immediately as you suggested?
>
> I would be interested in the difference of the two action lists.
Well, the experiment is flawed upto a point to start with. We all are
interested, and maybe even for some have a compulsive need to participate to
the debian effort, and as thus it is a violent effort even for those who
decided to become less active in protest against the 'experiment' to actually
go on with the boycot.
So, right now we have this experiment ongoing, whose measure of success is
rather vague and knowing the persons involved and how previous conclusions
where taken from the most flimsy of facts, the only way for those opposing the
experiment to act is to freeze their involvement.
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Author: Riku VoipioRiku Voipio Date: Dec 13, 2006 03:50
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 08:38:05AM +0100, Alexis Sukrieh wrote:
> 1. Paying Debian Developers seems to make (some of) them completely
> humorless, everything is taken a hundred percent seriously, as if the
> dollars in their pockets droped their fun hability. That's a pitty.
Ah, the "It's just Humor" excuse. The same one the bullies in school
use. "Why did he get angry, we just put his head in toilet and flushed
just for humour". Ofcourse nobodies head gets flushed in toilet in
Debian, but "humor" which ridicules specific human beings tends to
not be taken as funny by the targets.
I have to confess I have used this form of humor in Debian too. I've
since decided that it's not a good idea, it does not improve
atmosphere.
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Date: Dec 13, 2006 05:30
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 01:21:35PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> Like said, the experiment will finish once it is officially finished, and once
> the analysis has been done, and the final report result is published. Given
> the impact of long-term demotivation, you can thus not expect the experiment
> impact to finish any time soon.
And this is not going to change whether we continue (as in having Andi
finish his term) or not. So aborting now is irrelevant.
Greetings
Marc, resting my case
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