Hi,

After a long delay, here is a final call for reviews and comments for
DEP1. I've wrote it as a patch to developers-reference, and extracted
the relevant part on:
http://people.debian.org/~lucas/nmudep/pkgs.html
If you prefer to read the diff, go to:
http://people.debian.org/~lucas/nmudep/nmu.diff

Also, I've included a text dump of the full section at the end of this
mail, but please review the html version if possible, as the text
version won't show problems in the markup that was used, for example.

You might also want to have a look at the archives of
debian-{devel,project} in april, may and june.

I'm interested both in ACKs and suggestions for changes.

Thank you,

- Lucas
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5.11. Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs)

Le Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 07:28:53PM -0300, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :

Hi Lucas,

First of all, since we already dedicated a lot of time to find
compromise on the text, let me make clear that I do not object to it,
that I do not want to delay or block anything, and that you can ignore
my comments if you want.

After reading it again, have the two following comments:

- The whole section would start with a paragraph mentionning that a NMU
is the consequence of the failure of the maintainer(s). I find this
unfortunate, and my opintion is still that NMU should be for helping
maintainers or fixing urgent issues. If the maintainers are really in
situation of failure, then NMU is in my opinion not a viable
long-term solution and should be discouraged. Replacing "fails" by
"needs help" would enhance the text a lot. For instance, it fits much
better, the many "feel free to NMU" sentences we can read on the
vacation emails on debian-private.

On 12/08/08 at 10:06 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 02:14:06AM -0300, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

How about just sneak in a recommendation to check debian/README.Source
for any hints about specific packaging routines to be aware of?

Then each team can choose to mention there if NMU and/or any non-team
commits to their VCS is encouraged/discouraged, without the need for
concensus about it.

- Jonas

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:20:46AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

Nice idea, as it would address any other potential hints from
maintainers to NMUers, possibly even taking over other attempts to do
similar communications (e.g. LowNMU), using a more Debianic way of doing
that.

+1

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On 12/08/08 at 08:20 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

I agree that it's a good idea to document this on a per-package basis,
somehow.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:09:09AM -0300, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

Not only, quoting from policy:

`debian/README.source' may also include any other information that
would be helpful to someone modifying the source package.

NMUers are modifying source packages, so in theory there they can also
find info targeted to them. But I agree that it is somehow blurry if
that info belong to that file or not. So if you want to drop it, drop
it, we can postpone the change.

Cheers.

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zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/
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XML stuff is so ... simplistic -- Manoj \/ right keys at the right time

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Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I'm interested both in ACKs and suggestions for changes.

I second the proposal (I like better if you include the
Jonas proposal about README.source).

ciao
cate

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:09:09AM -0300, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

* Lucas Nussbaum [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:28:53 -0300]:

I already objected to this in the past, and I'm loudly objecting again
now. Some people on IRC shared this objection; I'm opening a subthread
to see if I'm alone on this, or what.

(Rest of feedback will go in the main thread in a minute.)

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