Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree
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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Matt Taggart
Date: May 3, 2008 01:20

I also would like to see the various Intel wireless firmware in the
firmware-nonfree package.

1.) The Intel 3945 adapter was previously supported by the ipw3945 driver
http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/

but that was deprecated starting with 2.6.24, and replaced with the new
Intel Wireless WiFi Link drivers
http://intellinuxwireless.org/

which provide a driver for the 3945 and also the 4965, both are in upstream
2.6.24 but need the microcode available at
http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads

The license is at
http://intellinuxwireless.org/LICENSE.iwlwifi-ucode

and they have a licenses FAQ at
http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=FAQ&s=license

2.) In addition to the firmware for the ipw2200 mentioned by the original
submitter, there is also the other legacy ipw2100
http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/
(I didn't look at the license though)
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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Bastian Blank
Date: May 3, 2008 11:50

On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 01:11:32AM -0700, Matt Taggart wrote:
> 1.) The Intel 3945 adapter was previously supported by the ipw3945 driver
> http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/

Was dropped because not longer supported by current kernels.
> but that was deprecated starting with 2.6.24, and replaced with the new
> Intel Wireless WiFi Link drivers
> http://intellinuxwireless.org/
> which provide a driver for the 3945 and also the 4965, both are in upstream
> 2.6.24 but need the microcode available at
> http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads

Is already shipped as firmware-iwlwifi.
> 2.) In addition to the firmware for the ipw2200 mentioned by the original
> submitter, there is also the other legacy ipw2100
> http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/
> (I didn't look at the license though)

We decided that we can't ship it with this license in non-free.

Bastian

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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Per Olofsson
Date: May 3, 2008 15:10

Hi,

Bastian Blank wrote:
>> 2.) In addition to the firmware for the ipw2200 mentioned by the original
>> submitter, there is also the other legacy ipw2100
>> http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/
>> (I didn't look at the license though)
>
> We decided that we can't ship it with this license in non-free.

Why is that? Apparently Ubuntu can ship it (IIRC). Also, there is a faq page[1]
indicating that it is possible to redistribute the firmware.

But if you have already decided that the firmware can't be packaged, I guess
this bug should be closed or marked wontfix.

[1] http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware_faq.php

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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Holger Levsen
Date: May 4, 2008 08:10

Hi,

On Saturday 03 May 2008 23:57, Per Olofsson wrote:
> Bastian Blank wrote:
>> We decided that we can't ship it with this license in non-free.

Where did you document this decission? On what is it based?
> But if you have already decided that the firmware can't be packaged, I
> guess this bug should be closed or marked wontfix.

Or rather taken to the tech CTTE or whatever...

Looks perfectly fine for nonfree to me.

regards,
Holger

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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Bastian Blank
Date: May 4, 2008 08:30

On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 04:58:32PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Saturday 03 May 2008 23:57, Per Olofsson wrote:
>> Bastian Blank wrote:
>>> We decided that we can't ship it with this license in non-free.
> Where did you document this decission? On what is it based?

| Your rights to redistribute the Software shall be contingent upon your
| installation of this Agreement in its entirety in the same directory as
| the Software.

This was interpreted by at least one person that the license needs to
pushed in the same directory on the mirror than the package.
> Looks perfectly fine for nonfree to me.

This is not the license. This is the FAQ to the license. For the license
see [1].

Bastian

[1]: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4

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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Per Olofsson
Date: May 4, 2008 09:20

Bastian Blank wrote:
>
> | Your rights to redistribute the Software shall be contingent upon your
> | installation of this Agreement in its entirety in the same directory as
> | the Software.
>
> This was interpreted by at least one person that the license needs to
> pushed in the same directory on the mirror than the package.

But the FAQ says:

"The package must install the LICENSE file in the same location on the system
that the firmware files are installed."

I.e., /lib/firmware. If that's not convincing, perhaps we should ask Intel for a
clarification? I doubt that other distributions place the license file in their
mirror directories.
>> Looks perfectly fine for nonfree to me.
>
> This is not the license. This is the FAQ to the license. For the license
> see [1].
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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Holger Levsen
Date: May 4, 2008 09:20

Hi,

On Sunday 04 May 2008 17:23, Waldi wrote:
> | Your rights to redistribute the Software shall be contingent upon your
> | installation of this Agreement in its entirety in the same directory as
> | the Software.
> This was interpreted by at least one person that the license needs to
> pushed in the same directory on the mirror than the package.

And because there is one person interpreting this differently than the
licencing party itself, Debian shall not do what the licencing party and the
users would like to see?

I have every reason to believe Intel wants us to distribute the firmware!

The question where this discussion is documented is still open. And the
question whether you as the maintainers agree with that one person or if you
going to change this...

regards,
Holger

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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Bastian Blank
Date: May 4, 2008 10:20

On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 06:06:53PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sunday 04 May 2008 17:23, Waldi wrote:
>> | Your rights to redistribute the Software shall be contingent upon your
>> | installation of this Agreement in its entirety in the same directory as
>> | the Software.
>> This was interpreted by at least one person that the license needs to
>> pushed in the same directory on the mirror than the package.
> And because there is one person interpreting this differently than the
> licencing party itself, Debian shall not do what the licencing party and the
> users would like to see?

Who wants to define that someone is not allowed to define a binary dump
as source and publish it under the GPL and we are therefor not allowed
to distribute such things?
> The question where this discussion is documented is still open.

Somewhere in the IRC logs.

Update: Just found it, was between aba and me, in #debian.de, 25.5.2006.
> And the
> question whether you as the maintainers agree with that one person or if you
> going to change this...
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Bug#449235: Intel wireless firmware in firmware-nonfree         


Author: Holger Levsen
Date: May 5, 2008 03:40

Hi,

On Sunday 04 May 2008 19:12, Bastian Blank wrote:
>>> This was interpreted by at least one person that the license needs to
>>> pushed in the same directory on the mirror than the package.
>> And because there is one person interpreting this differently than the
>> licencing party itself, Debian shall not do what the licencing party and
>> the users would like to see?
> Who wants to define that someone is not allowed to define a binary dump
> as source and publish it under the GPL and we are therefor not allowed
> to distribute such things?

Even after reading this three times and having my second coffee I fail to
understand what this paragraph has to do with the ipw2x00 firmware. It's not
GPLed.

Maybe I need a third coffee though.
>> The question where this discussion is documented is still open.
> Somewhere in the IRC logs.
> Update: Just found it, was between aba and me, in #debian.de, 25.5.2006.

So there is no public log. (And it was probably also in the wrong language :)
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