> Bill Shatzer wrote:

>>If (European) Santa Fe truly dates to 1615, it's behind St Augustine
>>(1585) and Jamestown (1607).

> OK, I was going by what I was told in school. That being in NM, there
> may well have been a bit of home-town bias in claiming that Santa Fe
> was the second European city in what's now the US.

> Of course that doesn't change the fact that it existed as a native
> village long before the arrival of the Spanish. Unless you're
> eurocentric, it's the oldest. (Or at least older than the other known
> claimants. It is possible that some unknown village might have been
> established even earlier.)