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  Why Nature Must Conform to Our Laws         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Jul 3, 2008 17:24

Prolegomena, by Immanuel Kant

" Sect. 38. If we consider the properties of the circle, by
which this figure combines so many arbitrary determinations of
space in itself at once in a universal rule, we cannot avoid
attributing a constitution...
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  America for You and Me         


Author: jeep
Date: Jul 3, 2008 14:45

American Independence Day http://24.6.219.159/
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  Re: Deadly Tomatoes!!!!         


Author: Mark Sieving
Date: Jul 3, 2008 11:50

On Jul 3, 12:15 pm, David Buchner wcta.net> wrote:
> What gives? Isn't that kind of a long, clumsy, roundabout way of doing
> it? Wouldn't it be much simpler to provide a list of the places that
> HAVE been the sources of Suspicious Tomatoes?

It would be much simpler, if anyone knew where the suspicious tomatoes
were coming from. Absent that, all the FDA can do is list the places
that have been ruled out as a source of the contamination.
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  Re: Deadly Tomatoes!!!!         


Author: Gordon Sollars
Date: Jul 3, 2008 11:07

David Buchner wrote:
> Listen to this rephrasing, in a news story: " ...avoid the types of
> tomatoes grown in the areas that have not been ruled out. ..." Huh?
> Isn't this one of those logic puzzles? Or something about sets, and
> inclusion and exclusion. Or something. Wouldn't it be simpler, more
> straightforward, to just give us the list of sources that have been
> ruled IN?

You are assuming that there is an *authoritative* list of all the places
that tomatoes come from, so that if we cross off the ones that have been
ruled out, only those places that remain on the list could be a problem.
I suspect there is no such list. Also, the FDA might be concerned
about political fallout from naming a state or other political region as
having "deadly tomatoes" when, after testing, none are found.
Furthermore, taking the first two points together, if tomato-farming
regions *want* to be on the "cleared" list, then *they* will take
actions to try to see that the FDA puts them on it.
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  Deadly Tomatoes!!!!         


Author: David Buchner
Date: Jul 3, 2008 10:15

Hi, folks. I've let kid stuff and house stuff and other stuff gobble
more of my attention lately, and started to let some internetty things
slide, like HPO. Sorry about that.

I've been searching this morning for anybody discussing this salmonella
outbreak, and the weird way the FDA's warnings are worded. Well, it
seems weird to me anyway. I was just curious which tomatoes they were,
and where they had come from, so went to the news stories to find out --
but all I can find, everywhere, is the same long list of all the tomato
sources that have NOT been implicated.

What gives? Isn't that kind of a long, clumsy, roundabout way of doing
it? Wouldn't it be much simpler to provide a list of the places that
HAVE been the sources of Suspicious Tomatoes? It seems odd -- am I
missing something?

Here's what the FDA says:
"FDA traceback review, in addition to production and distribution
pattern information, has indicated that tomatoes from the following
sources are not associated with the...
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