Xavier Maillard gnu.org> writes:

How does `outline-mode' feel? I use it for keeping various notes.

Does it have something like an index of notes to quickly know
where to retrieve a note/information ? This is a major
requirement for me. In records-mode, pressing C-c C-j, I have an
index buffer which shows a list of keywords and the respective
notes entries (There is something close to this in notes-mode).

The big no-no about records-mode and notes-mode currently is that
they seem "dead" and unmaintained.

As Bastien said, maybe I am misusing Org. Maybe Org is really
what I want but concentrating only on the note taking aspect and
not using planning/todo handling.

Xavier Maillard gnu.org> writes:

BTW, I was going to ask if you are actually having problems with records
mode? I use to use it prior to moving to planner mode. Last time I tried
it I found it worked fine. While it may not be maintained at the moment,
that doesn't necessarily mean its broken or of now use. I've got a
couple of packages I've been using for 10 years that haven't been
updated since the mid-90s and they still work just fine.

regards,

Tim

Hi,

BTW, I was going to ask if you are actually having problems with records
mode?

Indeed, yes. Latest released version won't build :) I checked out
the CVS code to retrieve the missing files (the tar file is not
very consistent) and it just does the trick now.

I am now evaluating both records and notes. My preference goes to
notes-mode since its author is answering to all my questions.

I use to use it prior to moving to planner mode. Last time I tried
it I found it worked fine. While it may not be maintained at the moment,
that doesn't necessarily mean its broken or of now use. I've got a
couple of packages I've been using for 10 years that haven't been
updated since the mid-90s and they still work just fine.

So do I, this was a bad argument ;) Sorry.

Xavier

Sounds to me like you could get very close to what you want by using org
modes tags facility. It has fairly sophisticated tag based searching and
displaying etc.

As said earlier, I find Org and planner fantastic, really. The
main problem with them, _for me_, is that they just do way too
much. I always feel dumb and lost when trying to do simple
things. For example, searching in Org makes me sick. The other
problem with these tools, more for Org than planner, is that I
take way too much time to "organize" my data; I am always
changing how I do things, how I classify/tag them, and I am
always playing with latest package features.

At least, with something more basic, I am not tempted to "play"
but just to do and that's the most important thing in fact.

It sounds to me like planner mode would be close to what you want. What
you outline is very close to how I work with planner mode.

I have the planner day pages and it has support for moving around -
previous day, next day etc.

Xavier Maillard gnu.org> writes:

I don't know notes-mode. Can you make it interact with remember?

As for the arguments about Org or planner having too many features, I
don't understand them. You won't get disciplined by just using tools
that have less features. And remember your living in Emacs, so there
is always a doctor behind you :)

In any case, if you find time to make a tutorial about notes-mode and
remember, I guess the Org and planner community will be interested as
well.

Best,

Xavier Maillard gnu.org> writes:

What exactly makes you sick? Maybe we can improve this.

Ever tried to turn off font-lock?

A few years ago, I would have found it a crazy idea, because the little
Daisy Miller in me *enjoys* colors so much. But now I also enjoy a gray
world, at least from time to time.

Being lost in the jungle makes you concentrate on surviving (i.e. read
or write the things at point, not the remote sparkling stuff.)

Hi Bastien,

Xavier Maillard gnu.org> writes:

I don't know notes-mode. Can you make it interact with remember?

Currently, there is no support for this ut it could be really a
simple task.

As for the arguments about Org or planner having too many features, I
don't understand them. You won't get disciplined by just using tools
that have less features. And remember your living in Emacs, so there
is always a doctor behind you :)

The problem is not the features, the problem is that I am
distracted by all of them :) I am lazy but curious so if I am
given a tool such as org-mode, it is unlikely I will be very
productive with it ;)

In any case, if you find time to make a tutorial about notes-mode and
remember, I guess the Org and planner community will be interested as
well.

Xavier Maillard gnu.org> writes:

The task of supporting remember for notes-mode is a good one in itself.
But in your case, this is another distraction.

BTW, you didn't tell me what was not very convenient with the search
facilities in org-mode.

On Feb 22, 5:35 am, Bastien Guerry wrote:

My own take on why some people may complain about org-mode:

Org mode is many things...

* A tree-structurer
The outlining ability
* A brainstormer
export-as-mind-map
* A GTD framework
which includes
*** a todo list manager
*** a time-tracker
*** a (day) planner
*** project-manager