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Author: Drew Adams
Date: Jun 6, 2008 08:36

I seem to be getting the OP of a thread a day or two after the follow-ups.
Anyone else seeing that?
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Re: OP mail delayed?         


Author: Jason Rumney
Date: Jun 9, 2008 14:38

On Jun 6, 4:36 pm, "Drew Adams" oracle.com> wrote:
> I seem to be getting the OP of a thread a day or two after the follow-ups.
> Anyone else seeing that?

If you are receiving the list by mail, it is probably the spam filter
at your end delaying mail by unknown senders. I always get bounces
when following up to your messages (usually they are Cc'ed to the
list, so they probably get through to you that way), I think
oracle.com's spam filter is overly paranoid.
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RE: OP mail delayed?         


Author: Drew Adams
Date: Jun 9, 2008 14:56

>> I seem to be getting the OP of a thread a day or two after
>> the follow-ups. Anyone else seeing that?
>
> If you are receiving the list by mail, it is probably the spam filter
> at your end delaying mail by unknown senders. I always get bounces
> when following up to your messages (usually they are Cc'ed to the
> list, so they probably get through to you that way), I think
> oracle.com's spam filter is overly paranoid.

Hm. Maybe. But:

. Others are seeing the same thing.
. This just started happening - it didn't happen before.
. I don't see this in other GNU Emacs mailing lists.

What is the difference between a message with RE coming from the list and a
message without RE? Wouldn't they both be treated the same by a spam filter? Why
would the latter (the OP) be delayed more than the former?

This is not about messages sent directly to me from someone. It is about
messages that come from this list.
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Re: OP mail delayed?         


Author: Jason Rumney
Date: Jun 10, 2008 02:36

On Jun 9, 10:56 pm, "Drew Adams" oracle.com> wrote:
> Hm. Maybe. But:
>
> . Others are seeing the same thing.
> . This just started happening - it didn't happen before.

I've been getting bounces from your address for about 2 months, but
its still possible that oracle's spam filter was updated recently. The
bounces I'm getting are based on an overly strict application of SPF
records (treating soft failure as hard failure). I suspect these
delays are due to graylisting (delaying mail by unknown senders in the
hope that spamming software will not have proper error handling, and
won't retry later).
> . I don't see this in other GNU Emacs mailing lists.

Perhaps the contributors on those lists are more regular than on this
one.
> What is the difference between a message with RE coming from the list and a
> message without RE? Wouldn't they both be treated the same by a spam filter? Why
> would the latter (the OP) be delayed more than the former?
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RE: OP mail delayed?         


Author: Drew Adams
Date: Jun 10, 2008 06:43

>> Hm. Maybe. But:
>> . Others are seeing the same thing.

[snipped reply about Oracle's mail filter probably being the cause]

Others with very different mail addresses have reported the same thing. Here's
one from yesterday - this was just mentioned matter of factly at the end of a
mail about a differnt subject:
> (This is based on the quote, I haven't received the original
> mail yet.)

That was from someone at web.de, not oracle.com. Look around, and you will
notice that there are others who are reporting the same thing.

I doubt it happens with every OP, but it happens with lots of them. And, as you
are an example, apparently not everyone is seeing the problem.

No big deal. Just thought I'd report a problem in case it helps.
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Re: OP mail delayed?         


Author: Bob Proulx
Date: Jun 13, 2008 09:58

I am not a subscriber of help-gnu-emacs. Please CC me on replies. I
am one of the listhelpers that tries to keep spam off of the mailing
lists and do other list maintenance. I happened to see this
discussion about delayed email delivery and wanted to say a few words
about it.

Drew Adams wrote:
> . Others are seeing the same thing.

There are several reasons this might occur. One is when there are
several discussion groups for help-gnu-emacs. I don't know about
help-gnu-emacs in particular but some mailing lists are gatewayed
between...
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