demon.nl.support :: General Dutch Service support issues. http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/ Posts for demon.nl.support Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:44:35 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/ http://www.nnseek.com/ http://www.nnseek.com/img/64.png 64 64 NNSeek <![CDATA[Zonder moeite 5000euro verdienen in 2 weken!!!]]> http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/zonder_moeite_5000euro_verdienen_in_2_weken_96073513t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/zonder_moeite_5000euro_verdienen_in_2_weken_96073513t.html Paypal Magie!!! Zonder moeite 5000euro verdienen in 2 weken!!!

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een premier (gratis) of business paypal account met
minimaal 5 op het account(dit is je enige inverstering!!!),
en 30 minuten van jouw tijd.
Na die 30 minuten hoef je niets meer te doen,
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Je hebt absoluut niets te verliezen,
en er is geen limiet aan hoeveel je kan verdienen
met dit eenmalige business programma.

Zo Werkt het:

#1) je hebt een emailadres nodig
#2) Een premier of business Paypal account

Volg nu de volgende 4 stappen:

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Stap 3:
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]]> Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:24:39 PDT <![CDATA[Ex demon zeer hoge latency en packloss]]> http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/ex_demon_zeer_hoge_latency_en_packloss_91897129t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/ex_demon_zeer_hoge_latency_en_packloss_91897129t.html Amsterdam. Ik ben denk ik gemigreerd maar nog wel via het oude babyxl
netwerk.

Iemand een idee wat dit kan zijn?


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]]> Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:17:38 PDT <![CDATA[Storing Weert]]> http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/storing_weert_91718185t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/storing_weert_91718185t.html begon aanligt?
Kan geen helpdesk bellen, en er is geen info te lezen dat er een storing is.

Ik heb het weekeinde voor (als de kinderen slapen) om mijn
administratie/internetbankieren enz. te doen, maar in het verleden toen bij
Demon waren er zeer behulpzame personen die wel ff wilden kijken.helpen wat
de oorzaak van de storing zou kunnen zijn.

Ik post dit via een laptop en een onbeveiligde router bij ons in de buurt
(niet netjes..maar ik wist even niets anders)

systeemnaam: gmoris

Ger


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]]> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:43:32 PDT <![CDATA[migraine]]> http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/migraine_91049769t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/migraine_91049769t.html
Zit nu sinds vanmiddag zonder email en heb nergens kunnen vinden of het
ooit weer gaat werken zoals het nu werkt.
XS4all heeft wel beloofd dat er voor demon klanten niks gaat veranderen
maar die droom viel al een half jaar na de overname in duigen met de
brief dat ik meer ga betalen voor een tragere verbinding. Nu lees ik ook
overal dat dsl verbindingen gemigreerd gaan worden maar kan nergens
vinden of ik daarbij weer van IP verander. Dat is namelijk wel prettig
om van te voren te weten als je een eigen mailserver en websites op je
verbinding heb staan ivm DNS en de fallback voor de mail. Verder valt er
ook nergens iets te lezen over de mailkick. Blijft dit werken? Is er een
alternatief? Of moet ik iedere 5 of 10 minuten een x aantal mailboxen de
pop3 server gaan laten pollen? Laat de mailkick nou de enige specifieke
reden zijn waarom ik nu nog klant ben bij demon/xs4all. Als die vervalt
kan ik net zo goed naar een willekeurige andere ISP gaan met een
catchall mogelijkheid op de mail.
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]]> Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:16:42 PST <![CDATA[Trieste bedoening bij Demon]]> http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/trieste_bedoening_bij_demon_90559273t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/trieste_bedoening_bij_demon_90559273t.html maart), acceptgiro's en zelfs aanmaningen voor een Demon Office account dat
ik al in juni vorig jaar heb opgezegd. Sinds september ben ik het Office
deel maar gaan storneren.

Sinds januari ben ik eindelijk met ADSL over naar XS4ALL (de grote gele
welkomsenvelop) en toen maar de automatische incasso van Demon stopgezet.
Dat werkte merkwaardig genoeg wel.

Demon denkt echter nog steeds dat er twee domeinen gehost worden, maar die
zijn in juli/augustus al overgegaan naar een andere hoster. Het .com domein
moest noodgedwongen nog ruim een maand bij Demon/XS4All blijven door een
registrar verkassing die ik niet had gevraagd (60 dagen niet-transfer
periode), maar die nodig was voor de migratie.

Het Demon telefoonnummer op de factuur werkt ondertussen niet meer. Op
emails wordt niet meer gereageerd... Rekeningen sturen lukt ze nog wel...

Als ik toch het Demon migratie team te pakken krijg (via XS4ALL...), krijg
ik steevast hetzelfde antwoord: u bent in migratie. U kunt niet opzeggen.
Complete onzin natuurlijk. Ik heb en had een maand opzegtermijn en ik heb
opgezegd omdat de dienstverlening gewijzigd werd (migratie naar XS4ALL,
bepaalde services waren niet meer mogelijk en de support afdeling heeft een
vraag daarover nooit beantwoord). Hierdoor is zelfs eender welke opzeg
termijn niet meer van toepassing. Maar dat dringt blijkbaar niet door bij
wat er nog van Demon over is.

Een bericht dat ik na migratie (niemand weet wanneer dat is. Misschien
ergens bij St Juttemis) mijn teveel betaalde deel ooit wel terug krijg, daar
heb ik natuurlijk ook helemaal niks aan. Ik zou nu dan al meer dan 200 euro
voor jan met de korte achternaam betaald moeten hebben. Niet wetend hoe lang
het nog duurt voordat Demon eindelijk doorkrijgt dat ik al bijna 9 maanden
geleden heb opgezegd. En wel dreigen met incassobureaus. Lijkt me complete
humor als je de opzeggingsbrieven en verdere eenzijdige communicatie van mij
richting bodemloze put Demon aan zo'n bureau voorlegt. (Opzeggingsbrieven
die zowel naar XS4ALL als naar Demon per post, per fax, per email zijn
gegaan).

XS4All zegt ook niks te kunnen doen, omdat het Demon zou zijn. Het migratie
team zit wel bij XS4ALL en is alleen maar via een XS4ALL nummer te bereiken,
maar het is toch Demon...

In en in triest hoor....

Binnenkort alle brieven van Demon maar retour afzender gaan sturen. Soort
snail mail spam filter op mijn brievenbus zetten...

Roland


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]]> Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:10:35 PST <![CDATA[M,I`5 Pers ecution , BBC Newscaste rs Lie & De ny Theyr e Watching Me]]> http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/m_i_5_pers_ecution_bbc_newscaste_rs_lie_de_ny_theyr_83800105t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/demon.nl.support/m_i_5_pers_ecution_bbc_newscaste_rs_lie_de_ny_theyr_83800105t.html MI5. Persecution: BBC Newscasters Lie & Deny They're Watching Me

Central to the persecution campaign waged against me for. some nine years
now by the Security Service is their use of the. media, and in particular
the. broadcast media, to make clear to me that I am under surveillance and
being. watched within my own home, even by BBC newscasters while they read
the news.. This is really an act of arrogance; MI5 and their tools in the
television and radio are so. sure that they can never be caught, that they
have many times made explicity clear on broadcast programmes. that they are
as capable of seeing me as I am of seeing. the broadcast pictures. Even
when they have known I am taping the programmes they still carry on. this
practice; for examples of TVand radio presenters caught "in. action", see
the Evidence. area of my website.

If you wish to. reply to this article......
then please include your name and fax number! I provide. the means for
recipients to send me their thoughts on. the topics discussed, but ask that
you provide me with your fax number or email. address if you require a
response. Also would you please. send not more than one or two pages, if by
fax.. Thank-you!


It started with. a Newscaster, and it continues with Newscasters today

The very first incident in the story started with a reaction. by an ITN
newscaster, Sue Carpenter, in June of 1990, almost nine. years ago now. She
reacted to what she saw in my living room at. home as she read the news. My
mother had brought an apple for me. into the room, whereupon the newsreader
smirked and giggled, apparently finding this funny. I. couldn't believe
what I was seeing. I carried on watching news and other. television
programmes to see if presenters would show signs of. "interactive
watching";. to my surprise, this happened again and again. Unfortunately, I
did. not have my wits sufficiently about me to videotape these programmes,
and. it is now almost impossible to obtain recordings dating back to 1990.

However, I. have been busy recording everything Ive watched the last couple
of years, and the taping has yielded some nuggets, which you will. find if
you point your Web browser at the "evidence" area of my. website, whose URL
address is given above. Strangely it is not particularly. the BBC who are
"after me" at the moment (with the exception of occasional. fire from
Nicholas. Witchell), but that supposed paragon of virtue and decency Jon
Snow of Channel Four TV News (he actually works for. ITN), who once claimed
hed turned. down MI5s offer of a tax-free salary. I will cover Snows recent
actions in. a future article.

BBCs. Hidden Shame

The first ever Usenet post. (internet newsgroup article) on the subject of
the. MI5 bugging / BBC watching occurred, as stated in a previous article,
in early. May 1995. It is reproduced here;

Date: Thu May. 4 18:27:24 1995
Newsgroups:. alt.conspiracy
Subject: BBC's. Hidden Shame

Remember the two-way televisions in George. Orwell's 1984? The ones which
watched you back? Which you could never get rid of, only the sound. could
be turned. down?

Well the country which brought Orwell into. the world has made his
nightmare follow into the world after him. Since 1990 the. British have
been waging war against one. of their own citizens using surveillance to
invade privacy and a campaign of abuse in. the transmitted media in their
efforts. to humiliate their "victim".

I suppose "BBCs Hidden Shame" is more of a wish than a fact. It may. be
hidden, but the BBC and. other media and security organisations seem to
have no shame whatever in their. anti-social, not to say criminal,
actions. Nor do the general. public, who seem quite happy to parrot the
vilest. obscenities without much hesitation or apparently thought.

Martyn Lewis, Nicholas Witchell and. the rest

Most of the harassment occurred in 1990-92, when I wasnt. making any
recordings, and the BBC wont release copies. of current affairs programmes
from that. period.... so although I can remember there were many incidents
in that time, even many specifics,. I cant dig up the actual programmes to
flesh out. the bones.

This. year, there has been at least one incident with Nicholas Witchell as
newsreader, which I have successfully recorded. and digitized,
i.e.. converted into a computer Quicktime movie file. This has not yet
found its way onto my website (Im a busy man, dontcha know) but. you can be
sure I will. let the readership of these articles know when that clip makes
it onto the web. The Witchell. clip was recorded on Saturday 10 April 1999
at. 7pm, and shows Witchell trying to restrain his features from collapsing
into a smirk. First his upper lip quivers. for several minutes, then with
the non-excuse of a non-joke his entire. face twists into a grin. It looks
as if he finds me so funny,. that he allows himself to submerge any
pretence at professionalism in a. sea of MI5-inspired sarcasm and
harassment.

The two BBC newscasters whose reactions to me I can remember most. vividly
over the years are Martyn Lewis and Nicholas Witchell.. I can remember
thinking years ago that Michael Buerk was. also seeing me at home; and if
the other two are watching then there would be no reason. why he wouldnt be
doing the same; but in all honesty I. cannot remember a single clear
instance of his reacting through facial or. verbal expression to me.

I can remember several instances of. Martyn Lewis reacting to what he saw
of me, however. In. early 1992 I was watching the BBC news with Lewis on a
small black-and-white portable TV at my then home in Oxford. I threw. a
term. of abuse at Lewis; he flinched, then gave a grin and made a comment
from which I understood that he had been on my side, but. might have
changed his mind as a result of what Id just said. to him.

And in spring 1991 I remember Martyn Lewis clearly reacting to. what he saw
of me at my then. accommodation in Woking, Surrey, by continuing to stare
at some fixed point near the camera after the news. had finished -
presumably this is where the monitor interactively showing pictures. of my
room was. located.

Why would. BBC and other Newscasters Watch and Harass Me, Watching Them?

This is a very difficult question, and I dont actually know the. answer. It
is. a matter of record that the Secret Services are very much part of the
Establishment. The recent exposure. of the "MI6 Agent List" on the
internet, and its coverage in. the newspapers, reveals how much MI5 and MI6
are recruited from the. ranks of the Establishment. Obviously the
relationship. is bi-directional; the Establishment influences MI5/MI6, but
the secret services (well,. perhaps not so secret now we know who works for
MI6!!!). also influence the machinery of power and information
dissemination i.e. media in this country.. So they must have a lot of
covert leverage with. the BBC and ITN.

Some of this leverage is obviously through bribery. It is a matter. of
record that MI5 tried some years ago. to "buy" Jon Snow of Channel Four
TV. He turned them down - obviously they must have. approached other media
people as well, and from. the lack of other reports of people turning them
down, it may be presumed that some other journalists will have. accepted
the sugared carrots put before them. Ironically, Jon Snow has been. taking
part in the recent "watching" actions against me. - but why he has allowed
himself to be used by the secret services is something which I. do not
know.

Perhaps the Security Service. uses blackmail to twist arms of journalists
into co-operating with them? I. have always thought there was something
slightly odd about Martyn Lewiss demeanour. At the time of. the Ron Davies
"rough trade" scandal it was reported that. MI5 had known all about Davies
predilections and the sham of his pretence to be. a happily married
man. Perhaps MI5 have been. able to dig something up from Martyn Lewiss
private life. to blackmail him into acting on their behalf? And if there
wasnt. anything before the "newscaster watching" started then there most
certainly is something now.... once theyve started watching,. the
newscasters will surely wish. their activities to remain covered-up, and
co-operate with. the security service.

"Newscaster Watching" Deliberately. Constructed to Mimic Schizophrenia

Presumably this is the. first case in history of television journalists
actually taking part in acts. of real-time, live spying and reacting
against one of their viewers. What. you have to understand, though, is that
I. was quite mentally healthy in June 1990, certainly relative to November
1992, when after two and a half years of harassment I was. finally admitted
to. hospital as an out-patient. MI5 decided from the outset that they would
make me mad; they constructed. the media harassment to resemble what would
be reported by a person with mental. illness; and then they carried on
years of abuse to inflict on me the. condition which they wished to use as
an. excuse to cover up their abuses.

I sold my portable TV in autumn 1990 and. stopped watching television
regularly. I realise now that this may. have been a mistake. What I should
have done was to watch TV and listen to the radio, but. tape-record
everything and make a note of what each excerpt meant to. me. I would then
be in a much stronger position. as regards to evidence that I am now. That
is what I am trying to do now, but unsurprisingly the. TV/radio presenters
have stopped getting at. me, now they know they are being recorded.

When I started publicising my. case on internet newsgroups in 1995, I was
met with. the disbelief one might expect to be accorded to a mentally ill
person who talks about. "newscaster watching" and media persecution. Some
newsgroup participants thought I had started a "troll",. an invention made
to obtain a reaction; one bright spark even suggested a group. of
psychology students. were behind the articles. But most people thought the
articles were symptomatic of derangement. - and that is exactly what MI5
want people to think. MI5 chose me as a target because I was. mildly
mentally ill at the outset in 1990, although I stress my illness. then was
very mild in comparison with November. 1992, and because they knew that
enough. abuse would (a) make me much more seriously ill, and (b) once I was
more ill, they would "get away". with a harassment deliberately constructed
to look like. the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

Martyn Lewis Denies & Lies, But. Wont in Writing

In February 1997 I wrote to BBC. Viewer & Listener Correspondence and asked
them to investigate the claim that. their newscasters had engaged in
"real-time spying" on me. They replied that they had asked. Martyn Lewis
and Michael Buerk whether they had. engaged in such practices, and that
they had both made verbal denials. to VLC, but were refusing to put their
denials in. writing.

To me it looks as. if Lewis and Buerk are happy to lie verbally but not in
writing, because. written falsehoods would place them unambiguously in the
wrong, whereas they can try to talk their way. out of verbal lies if they
are ever caught, or perhaps even deny the verbal lies completely? If. they
lie without shame, then why. would they have any shame about future lies
about. lying?

BBC-VLC also said. that the BBC "would never engage in any form of
surveillance activity" such as that described.. Clearly Martyn Lewis and
the rest have lied to their own. organisations personnel about their
criminal actions. So much for the "objective", "truthful". BBC, a nest of
shabby. liars.

Summons against the. BBC, for Nuisance caused by Newscaster Spying

In. March 1997 I issued a civil summons against the BBC, seeking injunction
against further "newscaster spying", and token. damages for what the BBC
had done to me until. that date. The purpose of the summons was to try to
"smoke out" the BBC,. since obviously I did not have good evidence which
would be necessary for either a civil or criminal case. to be made against
them. My. summons was worded as follows;

1. The plaintiff is and was at all material times residing. at [home
address]. At some time. prior to or during June 1990, persons of unknown
identity entered Plaintiff's premises and installed. concealed television
equipment in said. premises.

2. A campaign of harassment was launched against. the Plaintiff by the
persons of unknown identity,. which in part took the form of instigating
harassment by BBC TV newscasters (including. specifically Michael Buerk and
Martyn Lewis) as. they read news bulletins, by making direct and personal
comments. to Plaintiff.

3. The campaigns purpose was to subject Plaintiff to great. mental stress
and induce mental breakdown. As. a result of it Plaintiff did indeed suffer
from severe mental. strain in 1990-97.

4.. In order to avoid the mental strain being caused to him the Plaintiff
has been compelled to stop watching. BBC TV news. Defendant therefore
committed. the tort of private nuisance, since normal use of home was
interfered. with.

5. Plaintiff claims. a permanent injunction prohibiting further nuisance,
and. damages for nuisance suffered limited to 5,000.

Naturally, my attempt to smoke-out. the BBC and its lying newscasters
failed. The BBCs litigation department sought to have my summons. struck
out; and they succeeded in doing so,. on the grounds of my action
"disclosing no reasonable cause of action". I was also prevented. from
issuing further civil claims against. the BBC without leave of the
Court. Apparently. litigants-in-person frequently / usually have their
claims struck out with this wording, regardless of the. merit of their
claims.

BBC Suppresses my. Claims of "Watching by Newscasters"

BBCs staff magazine Ariel ran. my advert "BBC Newsreaders Spying on my
home" for one issue in the Personal category on 8/July/1997. before it was
spotted and axed by editor Robin Reynolds;. please see
webpage;. http://www.pair.com/spook/evidence/plaint/ariel.htm
Clearly the BBC will not allow claims of its wrongdoing. to be made public
in the media channels. it controls.

On several occasions people said to my face that harassment from. the TV
was happening.. On the first day I worked in Oxford, I spent the evening in
the local pub the Rose and. Crown with the company's technical director
Ian, and Phil, another employee.. Ian made a few references to me and said
to Phil, as if in an aside, "Is he the bloke who's been on TV?". to which
Phil replied, "Yes, I. think so".

The reader might think that. mere "watching" by newscasters etc might be a
relatively benign happening. But it is not; it is part. of MI5s framework
of harassment and lies. On many occasions the reactions of the. BBCs
newscasters to me has. been in the nature of sarcasm, implicit contempt and
abuse.. This is visible in Witchells news programme mentioned above, where
he engages in abuse by laughing. at me during his newsreading. It was
particularly visible in the early period of 1990-92, and as late. as Autumn
1993, when during a Newsnight. broadcast Jeremy Paxman interviewed a
football person about soccer hooliganism, and the interviewee gave. vent to
an unsubtle rant about "theyre idiots,. theyre just idiots, keep up the
surveillance". Paxman started. grinning, showing he understood and was
taking part in the. abuse being perpetrated on that programme.

Conclusion

The MI5 Persecution started with. harassment by television newscasters, and
today. harassment by TV and radio presenters still forms a key part of MI5s
activities against me.. When this business started in June 1990 I was in
relatively good. health of mind. Years of persecution by the secret police
and their. mouthpieces in the state-run BBC and other media eroded my
health until MI5 achieved their aim. of seeing me rendered mentally ill in
November. 1992. The diagnosis which was forced on me unfortunately and
ironically meant that my reports of the harassment. are disregarded,
because the mentally ill are. second-class citizens in todays Britain.

Yet TV and radio harassment continues,. albeit in a reduced form, despite
my taping all the programmes I watch, resulting in. my being able to obtain
and demonstrate objectively on the website. instances of media presenters
attacking me. Unfortunately these. recorded instances are quite tenuous; I
might understand them, the presenters understand. what it is theyre doing,
but despite many thousands of people knowing the. truth of the "newscaster
watching", the omerta continues and they continue to refuse. to admit the
truth. of the matter. It is a terrible indictment of British society that
there is. not even one decent person willing to speak out. I look forward
to the day when the truth does finally emerge, and the. mass corruption
which has allowed the. MI5 persecution to take place is finally purged and
the Establishment criminals caught and. appropriately punished.

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For approximately the first three years of the MI5 persecution,. from June
1990 until late 1992, I. kept as quiet as possible, in the hope that by not
reacting, MI5s interest in me would decrease and. they would simply go away
of their own accord. This. is the sort of behaviour some people employ
against bullies; if the bullies arent getting a reaction, then. they might
simply. go away and victimize someone else.

Unfortunately, this tactic didnt. work. The quieter I became, the more
shrill and hysterical the noise. from the Security Service operatives. For
about two years I. didnt watch TV news at all. Yet this only heightened
their obsessed fixation; they continued to follow me wherever I. went, they
continued to. induce harassment at work by managers and fellow workers, and
they. continued to encourage me to commit suicide. They seemed to regard my
refusal to react as a crime which they would have. to "put right" by ever
more extreme forms. of abuse.

Finally, in 1995, I changed tactics radically. Since. late 1994 I had had
accounts with internet providers in. Ontario, Canada. I discovered the
cornucopia of internet newsgroups, on every. topic from consumer
electronics, to politics and legal topics, and I discovered. online
services such as Compuserve and AOL. In May. 1995, I made the first posting
to. the conspiracy newsgroup, on the subject of "BBCs Hidden Shame".

BBC's Hidden. Shame

The internet newsgroup discussion, which has. now reached its fourth
anniversary, started with an. article in alt.conspiracy, which I reproduce
here.

Date: Thu May. 4 18:27:24 1995
Newsgroups:. alt.conspiracy
Subject: BBC's. Hidden Shame

Remember the two-way televisions in George Orwell's 1984? The ones which watched. you
back?. Which you could never get rid of, only the sound could be turned down?

Well the country which brought Orwell. into the world has made his nightmare follow into
the world after him. Since 1990 the British have. been waging war against one of their
own citizens. using surveillance to invade privacy and a campaign of abuse in the
transmitted media in their efforts. to humiliate their "victim".

And. the most remarkable thing about it is that what they do is not even illegal - the
UK has no laws to protect the privacy of its citizens, nor does it proscribe. harassment
or abuse except in. the case of racial abuse.

A lot of people in. England know this to be going on, yet so far they have maintained
perfect "omerta"; not a sound,. not a squeak has escaped into the English press, and for
all the covert. harassment absolutely nothing has come out into the public domain.

Have the. British gone mad? I think we should be told

At this point, I did not name MI5 as my persecutors. I was. still unsure
that they were the ones responsible for the. "psychological terrorism". In
followup posts however I did name. them; and the persecutors have never
denied the claim; so. I think my guess is valid. (The Security Service
Tribunal in 1997 have said. "no determination in your favour was made", but
it is. a well established fact that MI5 lies routinely to the Tribunal
which has never found. in favour of a plaintiff, so no conclusions can be
drawn from. this.)

This. first post was made to alt.conspiracy, but further posts were made to
the UK-local newsgroups,. in particular uk.misc but also uk.legal and
uk.politics (which is now called uk.politics.misc). Some. time ago I tried
to take the battle to the Compuserve. forums, UKPOLITICS (which is now
called UKCURRENT - current affairs), but my articles were censored. by the
forum operators. Such. censorship is impossible on the internet newsgroups.

Police Refuse to. Act

I. have complained several times to the Metropolitan Police, who have each
time refused to. help.

From: Green. guidion.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups:. uk.misc,uk.politics,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution:. Why Aren't the British Police Doing Their
Job?
Reply-To:. Green@guidion.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun Apr 7 21:13:30. 1996

In. article <DpIE0r.736.0.bloor@torfree.net>
. bu765@torfree.net "Mike Corley" writes:

>Last Easter (1995). I went into the local police station in London and spoke to
>an. officer about the harassment against me. But I couldn't provide tangible
>evidence; what people. said, in many cases years ago, is beyond proof, and
>without something to support my statements I cannot expect a police officer. to
>take. the complaint seriously.

This in. itself dos not suggest that the police have it in for you. The old bill
operates on extremely tight spending limits forced. on them by that pillock Michael
Howard, and without evidence,. they often have higher priorities than chasing something
that. cannot go to court.

I doubt that the police are actually being leant. on, but they probably realise that if
they looked into this, they would. be leant on hard. The met always stays away from
anything that looks like it has Defence, Security or secret service interest. already,
because. they realise that they are below these government agencies in the general
pecking. order.

If I walked into my local nick and complained that MI5 were snooping on me,. they would
show me. the door without even looking at my evidence, because that bored desk seargant
with only five years to go before he. retires doesn't want to start fucking about with
somebody who has incurred the wrath of Stella Rimington. He would rather deal. with the
lost dogs and. driving licence producers, eat his cheese and pickle sandwiches and piss
off home at the end of his shift than have. some high ranking spook having a go at his
boss and getting. him a bollocking.

In short, you have earned much sympathy but little surprise. Just. remember that saying
about the enemy of. your enemies.

Most recently, I wrote in March 1999 to Charing Cross Police. Station
CID. They did. not acknowledge or reply to my letter. When I phoned them
up, the detective Id written to treated me to a sadly not unusual. display
of police bigotry, with an uneducated rant about "your. paranoid rubbish".

It. would be nice to think that such uneducated bigotry is something other
than wholly typical of police behaviour, but unfortunately that. is an
illusion that. is rapidly dispelled.

Uncorruptible Jon Snow. of Channel Four News

From previous articles the. reader will know what I think Jon Snow has
recently been watching me while he reads Channel. Four News in the
evening. Recently I digitized a few moments of one. such broadcast, where
his face twists into a smile, without. there being anything in the news
broadcast to cause merriment. Here is a. usenet post from some time ago on
MI5s "bought and. paid for" tools in the so-called "free" press.


Peter Harding. (harding@ermine.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: I was at speakers' corner on. Sunday. There was one chap who was bellowing
: about something or other, I. don't know what, but one thing he said to
:. someone caught my ear:

: "BBC,. MI5, same thing."

Can't disagree with. that sentiment.

Wasn't it documented that. MI5 sometimes "bought" journalists and broadcasters?
I remember reading a report by some jouralist. who had been offered an extra
tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece,. and had refused.
.............................................................................
> :. >mouthpiece, and had refused.
>. :
> : It was Jon. Snow of Channel 4.
>
> Was it reported in any. of the papers?

It has been. reported several times. The most recent was in Private Eye,
a few months back. As I recall they. also wanted information from him;
journalists would be a natural choice for members. of the Security Service
and the Secret Intelligence. Service for information sources.

> It might be interesting to see. what he had to say regarding their
> attempt to recruit. him.

He was most concerned that many. others would have accepted such an
offer. However, we can probably make. an educated guess as to some of
those who accepted: Nigel West. (Rupert Allason, MP) and Chapman Pincher
would come near to. the top of the list.

--
\/ David Boothroyd.. Socialist and election analyst. Omne ignotum pro
magnifico.
British Elections. and Politics at
http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html
I wish. I was in North Dakota. Next General Election must be before 22nd May '97
The House of Commons. now : C 324, Lab 272, L Dem 25, UU 9, PC 4, SDLP 4, SNP 4,
UDUP 3, Ind 1, Ind UU 1, Spkrs 4. Government majority = 1. Telephone Tate. 6125.

Corrupt Security Service agents. steal millions from taxpayers

Money is of course a factor in the grand. equation which is the MI5
persecution. It costs. money for the Security Service to "buy" people in
the media etc. But that is only a small part. of their expenditure of
taxpayers resources. Most of the expenditure. is directly on the salaries
if the agents involved; and. in this post I put forward the theory that MI5
are trying to draw out their involvement for as long as possible,. very
cynically, to maximise their income and line their own. pockets.

At each stage they have tried to pretend that. I am something out of the ordinary.
Either I was. very stupid ("he's an idiot") or very clever ("he's like a genius").
Either I was a threat to Western civilization (Levin once referred to me. as the next
Hitler). or I was completely defenceless ("a soft toy").

Now, it should be obvious to any person with common-sense. that I am not out of the
ordinary in any way.. I have an IQ which is average for the Web, I am racially white
European, and there are plenty of. other people with schizophrenia or epilepsy out there
who. haven't been targeted for MI5 attention, so why me?

I think the answer. is that the MI5 agents who harass me have cynically exploited the
situation by painting me as extraordinary in order to assure themselves. of well-paid
employment funded by the ordinary British taxpayer. To. put it bluntly, they are
stealing millions of pounds from the taxpayer to. feed their own pockets.

This assertion. is supported by the observation that it's the same agents who are doing
the harassment. Six months ago in. a local hospital I was harassed by someone whose face
I had seen (he had stared straight at. me aggressively, at the time I just thought it
was some nutter but it turns out he was. one of "them") aboard a KLM flight a couple of
years ago. It's presumably been the same people most. of the time. I've seen the way
contractors act when they don't want their positions. terminated. Would these agents
really want to. lose their well-paid employment harassing me? Presumably they are
promising their bosses a "breakthrough" (ie my demise) real-soon-now. and have been for
the last seven years, while all. the while these MI5 agents skim millions
off. the taxpayer.

I wouldn't mind a job. like that. Perhaps if I persecute myself a little bit, like
standing in front of a mirror and shouting mindless. obscenities, do you reckon I'd get
a slice of the caky Service. Tribunal. This year Nick Brooks, current
Tribunal Secretary, confirmed. to me that he could not think of a single
case where the Tribunal had found in favour of a complainant. Here is. my
usenet post. from two years ago.

Subject: MI5:. "It wasn't us"
Newsgroups:. uk.misc,uk.legal
Organization: Toronto. Free-Net

"The. Security Service Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and have
asked me. to inform you that no determination in your favour has been made on
your. complaint."

Signed ER Wilson, Tribunal. Secretary

Well that's a relief then. All that spamming for nothing eh.. Gaw blimey, if
they say they're not doing it then it can't be. them, can it?

In. a recent letter to Mr Brooks I expressed the opinion that the Tribunal
were unable. to fulfil their responsibilities in the face of MI5
falsehoods. Nevertheless, I do intend to make. another complaint to the
Tribunal in the near future, despite the Tribunal appearing. to be a
toothless. watchdog.

Discrimination against a Unit. Minority

MI5 have been very clear in their instructions as. to what I should
do. They have openly shouted at. me the word "suicide", and also from the
other abuse it is clear. that they want my existence terminated.

This point is covered in more detail in. a previous article. The following
post describes the xenophobic nature of MI5s campaign against. me. They
have refined their bigotry down to a unit minority, yet. they make use of
the discrimination against the mentally. ill which is a feature of current
British. society.

Subject: Re: MI5 says "Kill. Yourself"
Newsgroups:. uk.misc,uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media
References:. fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
<53eeev$cmg@axalotl.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Toronto. Free-Net
Distribution:

iain@hotch.demon.co.uk. (Iain L M Hotchkies) wrote:
>Indeed. If. you've ever had a 'conversation' with someone suffering
>from florid schizophrenia,. you'll know how difficult it can be to
>'argue' with. them.

I don't have florid symptoms.. But I'm in a difficult situation, because those
people who don't know, aren't going. to believe, and those who do, they just go
along with the crowd. It's never a good idea to go against the grain,. and the
grain here is defined by interests in the. establishment and the media. Even
people who could say out loud what was happening won't, because then. there's a
risk that they'll be seen as. traitors and ostracised.

Usually this type of 'hidden abuse' is racial and targetted at. a racial
minority within a country. You keep the. minorities out of the good jobs, but
you don't admit discrimination exists. It happens everywhere, not. just in
Britain. The persecution that is going. on now is in reality a refined form of
racism. Instead of. "nigger" it's "nutter", and abusing the mentally ill is
still socially acceptable today. In 50 years it. might not be, but today there
isn't any. social or legal sanction against it.

So really they've refined racial harassment down to a minority. of one. The
words may. be different, but the methods are the same.

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BBC. newscaster Nicholas Witchell cant stop himself laughing

During 1990-91 there were very many instances. of "interactive
television" where. newscasters and other TV presenters saw on a screen
before them what was happening in my home,. and reacted, frequently by
laughing at me. During this period I unfortunately did not record. these
programmes. For the last year or two, I have been recording. everything I
watch, and. there has been a drastic decrease in such incidents.

However,. on occasion, television presenters do still engage in
"interactive watching" and react to what. they see. This has been evident
with Jon Snow of Channel Four News recently. - a particularly interesting
case, since it has been established that he cannot be corrupted by. money
(it. is well-documented that MI5 offered him a tax-free salary and he
turned them down). I wonder what device MI5 are using. to encourage him to
do the "interactive. watching"?

On Saturday 10 April 1999 at 7pm, Nicholas. Witchell on BBC2 News reacted
when he saw that I was watching. the programme, and I have his reactions
stored safely on videotape. I have. watched this tape several times and I
am entirely confident that my evaluation. of his reactions is correct. For
several minutes his upper lip quivered in mirth as he attempted to. keep a
straight. face. Then finally his self-control evaporated through the excuse
of a weak joke and his. face collapsed into a grin.

The strange thing is that I dont know why he was. laughing at me, what I
had done recently to "deserve" to. be laughed at. The MI5 persecutors
usually manage to invent some. justification as to why people should laugh
at and/or abuse me ("hes an X", "it. was so funny" etc), so Mr Witchell
could have been laughing for any number of reasons. Perhaps he. found the
views I have been. expressing in these articles amusing? I suppose if youre
paid enough money and ordered. to laugh then even the most innocuous thing
becomes. funny.

Jon. Snow of Channel Four News cant stop himself smirking, either.

On 12 February 1999 I was watching Channel. Four News presented by Jon
Snow. As usual, I. was recording the programme, so that if anything out of
the ordinary happened, Id be able to go back and. watch it again.

Now, Jon Snow, by his. own claim, is uncorruptible. He says he turned down
an offer of a substantial tax-free salary from. MI5 - they wanted to make
him their mouthpiece, and he told them. where to get off.

So you will. be most surprised to learn that Jon Snow "interactively
watched" me. that evening, and on many other evenings. Approximately
fifteen minutes into the programme, he. announced that the US President
would be making a live appearance at. about 7.30pm; I looked at the clock
on the mantelpiece; and Snow saw. me looking at the clock, and visibly
tried to suppress. a smirk.

Uncorruptible, are you, Mister. Snow? If not money, then why are you
watching me, Mister Snow?. Are they forcing you to watch me? Cant you turn
the monitor. off, Mister Snow?

Keith Hill MP. (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever
refuses to. help.

Comparing. the MI5 Persecution with German "Final Solution"

It might seem offensive to compare the mass murder of. millions of
civilians. in wartime with the peacetime persecution of merely one
person. Yet the comparison has been coursing through. my mind for several
years. now, because the brutality of German intent to "sub-humans" is very
much comparable to the brutality of. British intent to someone they
vituperate and term "not up to British standards". The methods. may differ,
but the. persecutors mindset is the same.

The Germans. first targeted the mentally disabled, too

During WW2 millions of. ethnic Russians, Poles, Jews, mentally ill, gypsies
and other minorities were rounded up and murdered in. purpose-built camps
by the German regime,. in the name of "racial superiority". Fifty years on,
the. British Secret Police, MI5, instituted a campaign of mass
hysteria; but in their. cowardice, limited their activities to one single
victim.

It is instructive to note that. the early German "cleansing" effort was
directed primarily not at Jews, but at the. mentally ill. The Nazis set up
the T4 project in the thirties to "cleanse" away 70,000 mentally. disabled
people, including. schizophrenics and epileptics. After WW2 the Jews with
their media influence used the reaction from the holocaust to roll. back
anti-semitism in the Western countries; however, the mentally ill. are
today. still a persecuted group in the modern Western world as they were
under the Nazis (the current Jewish. home secretary in the UK intends to
bring in laws for incarceration without any criminal charge. for some
mentally ill people - he protects his own. minority, but does nothing for
the other minorities in todays society), and this continuing bias. forms a
central cause for the current acts. of persecution in the UK.

Widespread knowledge of what. is happening to the "un-British" minority

In both the German persecution of the thirties and early forties, and. the
current British persecution, many, many. people are well aware of whats
happening. There is widespread complicity through inaction. of
populace; and in a substantial proportion of the mainstread. population,
the persecution had/has widespread. enthusiastic support; yet in both the
German case in the 1940s and the British today, the existence. of
persecution is a mass secret. which must be never admitted out loud. In the
recent Lawrence case this "secret bigotry" has. been termed
"institutionalised racism", and that is a very. good word for what the
British are. doing today The persecutory attitudes and omerta regarding
them are so deeply ingrained in the national psyche that. they define the
national. mood

During WW2 many Germans knew minorities. were disappearing, and through
inaction quietly condoned. their government's mass murder of
"un-German" minorities. and inferior "foreigners"; and in the 1990s,
similarly, many English people know what the. MI5 British Secret Police
have been doing, and. not only condone it, but actively take part, because
of xenophobia against the "un-British" unit minority. that is the target of
"British" actions. This attitude by the British persecutors has been. made
explicit through the words "he's not up to British standards"; the. British
seem to have found their very own. "untermenschen" to victimise.

Why these obsessive "holy wars". happen

This type. of aggression occurs when the majority is threatened or
humiliated. in some way, economically, militarily or culturally. In pre-WW2
Germany the threat was primarily economic and military,. following
Germany's humiliating defeat in the first world war and the. reparations it
was forced to pay. In modern Britain, one might guess. that the majority
English who are. behind the persecution feel pressured by the swiftly
diminishing status. of Britain in the world, and the rapidly increasing
coloured colonisation of their country,. which in time will see the ethnic
English a minority in their own land, and their more antisocial. elements,
unable. to reply to the obvious threat, instead project their aggression
onto another, weaker, unit. minority

In both cases there is a. whiff of "holy war" or irrational obsession with
the. persecution. Certainly the German behaviour fifty years ago bordered
on the not-quite-sane, and. the current British behaviour towards their
chosen victim is strongly tinged. with a leave-taking of reason. And the
choices open to the victims are the same, since. MI5 will never allow me to
escape them, "if he tries to run away. we'll find him", just like the
commandant. of Auschwitz telling the new arrivals, "the only escape is
through the. chimney".

The Victim Will Destroy Us if We Dont Destroy. Him First

The persecutors propaganda is the same. Fifty years ago the Germans. said,
"if we. don't do it to the Jews then the Jews will do it to us"; and MI5's
propaganda in the early nineties concentrated on their victim as. a
"monster". aesome "untermenschen" minority.

"We are decent. fellows" say the Brutal Persecutors

During the course. of researching this article I read part of the very
interesting book, "Hitler - A Study in. Tyranny", by Alan Bullock. This
volume contains a. quote from Himmler on the "Final Solution";

"Most of you know what it means when a hundred corpses are lying side. by
side, or five hundred or one thousand.. To have stuck it out, and at the
same time .... to have remained decent fellows, that is what. has made us
hard. This is a page of glory. in our history which has never been written
and is. never to be written."

In the MI5 persecution, too, there is. a thread of deliberate brutality to
the sick. and vulnerable, while the persecutors maintain that "we are
decent fellows". There is almost a conscious schizophrenia in. the
self-attitudes of. the Security Service operatives and those in the public
who they employ against me, which reflects the contradiction. evident in
the German. attitude above. On the one hand, they stoop to the lowest and
most. base behaviour; yet at the same time, the MI5 operatives tell
themselves that since they are civilised. British people, then surely they
must by definition be "decent fellows". Any indecency is made the. fault of
the victim; "hes making. us persecute him, so we need feel no guilt".

Yet the conduct is atypical. of the way these peoples see their normal
modes of behaviour. Befslaughter was. not typical of normal German
behaviour up. to that point. Similarly, the current MI5 abuse goes against
the grain of British self-image as. being "reserved" and "decent", since
they are using terms of abuse which are common. among blacks and other
supposedly less-developed races, but. not among the English.

Conclusion

The ultimate aim of both persecutions is. the humiliation and physical
extinction of the persecuted group. The Germans did. this in a very direct
way; the British Secret Police. MI5 are acting indirectly and relying on
self-extinction of. their target, because in peacetime and in the current
somewhat false climate of "political. correctness" more direct methods are
impossible. If MI5 undertook more direct. action the mass "omerta" would be
broken.

I have written this article with sincerity to show how. a historically
recent persecution. in another country parallels what is being done in this
country today. In both cases, the evil-doers are of. their countries
establishments,. and rely on widespread tacit support to maintain the
persecution and omerta around it. While the. holocaust was undoubtedly the
greater evil, it is important to be aware of the. fact that had the Germans
not been defeated fifty years ago, their plans would have gone. through to
total completion. In. Britain today no force threatens the "permanent
government" of which the Security. Service forms a part; and it looks very
unlikely that the wrongs perpetrated by the MI5 secret police. will ever be
revealed to public. view, and the British secret state brought to justice
for its evil. actions.

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