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RISC OS computer with HD TV (1920x1080) resolution?         


Author: Simon Willcocks
Date: Aug 22, 2007 10:59

Hi,

I'm on the cusp of buying an HD TV (probably a Toshiba 37 X 3030-something),
and I was wondering if anyone has experience of (or an MDF for) connecting
an RPC or newer device to it?

It seems to me that it should be possible in 256 colours from a RPC, since
1600x1200 is only slightly lower resolution.

Thanks in advance,
Simon

--
ROLF - The RISC OS Look and Feel on Linux.
http://stoppers.drobe.co.uk
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Author: Jess
Date: Aug 22, 2007 11:41

In message <907747164f.simonwillcocks@home.invalid>
Simon Willcocks wrote:
> I'm on the cusp of buying an HD TV (probably a Toshiba 37 X 3030-something),
> and I was wondering if anyone has experience of (or an MDF for) connecting
> an RPC or newer device to it?

Be careful, I was looking round a shop and many of the "HD" TVs had a
lower resolution panel than 1920 x 1080, avoid these.
> It seems to me that it should be possible in 256 colours from a RPC, since
> 1600x1200 is only slightly lower resolution.

That is right on the edge of what it will do, some MDFs work at 256
some don't. (I guess it is down to making the active line longer so
the pixel rate is lower.)

The band limits can be changed to make the RPC try to higher pixel
rates, but this is dependent on the specific RPC.

However it looks like non-interlaced HDTV has 24, 25 and 30 Hz refresh
rates. If the VGA input will work with these, then you should be fine.
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Author: Simon Willcocks
Date: Aug 23, 2007 10:42

In message
Jess hotmail.com> wrote:
> In message <907747164f.simonwillcocks@home.invalid>
> Simon Willcocks wrote:
>
>> I'm on the cusp of buying an HD TV (probably a Toshiba 37 X 3030-
>> something), and I was wondering if anyone has experience of (or an
>> MDF for) connecting an RPC or newer device to it?
>
> Be careful, I was looking round a shop and many of the "HD" TVs had a
> lower resolution panel than 1920 x 1080, avoid these.

Thanks, I'd noticed. I'm after one that is less than 1 metre external width
(to fit in the space I've got), with full 1920x1080 resolution, 24p (for
films) and PC-style input (with sufficient HDMI/SCART etc. interfaces).

The only solution I can find at the moment is the Toshiba. (I was looking
at Sony's offerings, but they've just put the speakers back on the sides
making the newest boxes too big).
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Author: Chris Evans
Date: Aug 23, 2007 14:49

In article <49b1c9164f.simonwillcocks@home.invalid>, Simon Willcocks
wrote:
> In message
> Jess hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In message <907747164f.simonwillcocks@home.invalid>
>> Simon Willcocks wrote:
>>
>>> I'm on the cusp of buying an HD TV (probably a Toshiba 37 X 3030-
>>> something), and I was wondering if anyone has experience of (or an
>>> MDF for) connecting an RPC or newer device to it?
>>
>> Be careful, I was looking round a shop and many of the "HD" TVs had a
>> lower resolution panel than 1920 x 1080, avoid these.
>
> Thanks, I'd noticed.

Ah! but is 1080i better than 720p?

The 1080i is interlaced so is 540 twice!
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Author: Ray Dawson
Date: Aug 23, 2007 18:31

Paul Vigay invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I noticed this particularly whilst watching "Heroes" last night on BBC
> 2, as that seemed particularly bad for some reason, and I had to adjust
> the MPEG smoothing on the TV to compensate somewhat.

I thought you said you never watched TV and hadn't even got a TV licence
:-)

Cheers,

Ray D
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Author: Alan P Dawes
Date: Aug 23, 2007 18:51

In article <4f16e6152einvalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
Paul Vigay invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> The only time I find that MPEG artifacts are noticeable is when there is
> slow moving action on a dark background - ie. people sleeping or creeping
> around in shadows.
> I noticed this particularly whilst watching "Heroes" last night on BBC 2,
> as that seemed particularly bad for some reason, and I had to adjust the
> MPEG smoothing on the TV to compensate somewhat.

I suspect this was something to do with the BBC using a higher bandwidth
for the football on BBC1 thus reducing the available bandwidth for BBC2.

Alan

--
alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk
alan.dawes@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC
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Author: Simon Willcocks
Date: Aug 23, 2007 22:54

In message client.cjemicros.co.uk>
Chris Evans cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
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Author: John Cartmell
Date: Aug 23, 2007 22:51

In article <4f16f9d0b5invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
Paul Vigay invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> In article magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
> Ray Dawson magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> I thought you said you never watched TV and hadn't even got a TV licence
>> :-)
> I virtually never watch TV these days. Only started watching Heroes a
> couple of weeks ago - and I don't have a TV licence.... Louie does! :-)

The licence is purchased for the accommodation - not the individual. If there
was a licence for your address then your previous claim of not having a
licence was misleading.

--
John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
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Author: charles
Date: Aug 23, 2007 23:07

In article <4f170c7fddjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>,
John Cartmell cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4f16f9d0b5invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
> Paul Vigay invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>> Ray Dawson magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I thought you said you never watched TV and hadn't even got a TV
>>> licence
>>> :-)
>> I virtually never watch TV these days. Only started watching Heroes a
>> couple of weeks ago - and I don't have a TV licence.... Louie does! :-)
> The licence is purchased for the accommodation - not the individual. If
> there was a licence for your address then your previous claim of not
> having a licence was misleading.

Perhaps he went round to Louie's house to watch tv. That's allowed, too.

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11
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Author: John Cartmell
Date: Aug 23, 2007 23:58

In article <4f170df37dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
charles charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4f170c7fddjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>,
> John Cartmell cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <4f16f9d0b5invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
>> Paul Vigay invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In article magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>>> Ray Dawson magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I thought you said you never watched TV and hadn't even got a TV
>>>> licence
>>>> :-)
>>> I virtually never watch TV these days. Only started watching Heroes a
>>> couple of weeks ago - and I don't have a TV licence.... Louie does! :-)
>> The licence is purchased for the accommodation - not the individual. If
>> there was a licence for your address then your previous claim of not
>> having a licence was misleading.
> Perhaps he went round to Louie's house to watch tv. That's allowed, too.

Quite likely - but as he's playing games I might as well wind him up. ;-)
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