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Author: W B HackerW B Hacker Date: May 16, 2007 16:33
lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> More than that; hobbyists, however enlightened, cannot provide continuing
>> funding for Plan 9 development. Witness current hardware support. Plan 9 has
>> to grow or eventually die.
>
> Well, we've been warned.
>
> Given the alternative between diluting Plan 9 to suit the demand for
> snazz (who's going to deliver that, anyway?) and watching Plan 9
> become irrelevant to the marketplace, I'll pick the latter any time.
>
That doesn't really seem to be the choice. There is a middle ground.
'Current' drivers for networking would seem to be critical path, audio-visual not.
> As for the real alternative, which is for Plan 9 to become more
> Linux-like which means more Windows-like, then what's the point?
> Linux is there, Windows is there, why have a third contender? What
> innovation does Plan 9 contribute that the public is actually
> clamouring for?
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Author: UrielUriel Date: May 16, 2007 16:52
> Think PDA, phone handset, 'thin client' (terminal) and the heavy-hitters for
> storage and computation located somewhere else on the network.
>
> Sure - the need is being filled with WinCE, Palm, Symbian, even stripped-down
> Linux already.
>
> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
You have to be nuts to use Plan 9 for such things when you can use Inferno.
uriel
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Author: luciolucio Date: May 16, 2007 21:54
> Think PDA, phone handset, 'thin client' (terminal) and the heavy-hitters for
> storage and computation located somewhere else on the network.
I do, but what induces the IT manager in a 200+ organisation to think
Plan 9? And why would I want her to?
++L
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Author: W B HackerW B Hacker Date: May 17, 2007 04:35
lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> Think PDA, phone handset, 'thin client' (terminal) and the heavy-hitters for
>> storage and computation located somewhere else on the network.
>
> I do, but what induces the IT manager in a 200+ organisation to think
> Plan 9? And why would I want her to?
>
> ++L
>
>
I'd class that as a de-facto impossibility.
WTH - we couldn't get OS/2 'sold' in an organization ten times that size and
more. Even though it was largely IBM mainframe dominated, and whose senior
management *liked* IBM .... and against, of all things, Win 3.X - despite a more
robust and then still fully compatible Win-OS2 being built in to OS/2. (Win-95
was still years away at the time).
I don't see Plan9 ever even starting down the 'populist' road in that manner.
But the choice of embedded and 'appliance' OS'en is not made the same way, and
the 'Windows' cachet as not as hard to compete with.
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Author: johnjohn Date: May 17, 2007 07:27
> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
>
A friend and I are starting a project to create a simple wearable computer. We've
got some hardware to get started; probably will begin with a laptop, our camera
viewfinder HMD, and a keyboard strapped around the waist (crude, I know) or
some form of home-brewed chording device. I considered using Plan 9, but since
we don't plan to include a pointing device yet, and the viewfinder can only display
low resolutions and in black and white, I think we'll end up going with something
designed to be used 80x24 characters at a time... Linux. If somebody can present
me with some good reasons to use Plan 9 instead, we can try it, but I really
don't think Plan 9 actually is ideal for a wearable.
John
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Author: Gabriel DiazGabriel Diaz Date: May 17, 2007 07:34
hello
import wearable_thing_in_front_of_me /n/friend
cp $home/images/friendly_foto.jpg /n/friend
:-?
may be you can speak with Nemo, i think the wearable thing is just the
same work they are doing with planb/plan-c?, so he probably has not
only ideas, but experiencies in doing such things.
slds.
gabi
On 5/17/07, john@ csplan9.rit.edu csplan9.rit.edu> wrote:>> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
>> handheld, or 'wearable'...
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Author: David LeimbachDavid Leimbach Date: May 17, 2007 07:35
>> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
>> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
>> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
>>
>
> A friend and I are starting a project to create a simple wearable computer. We've
> got some hardware to get started; probably will begin with a laptop, our camera
> viewfinder HMD, and a keyboard strapped around the waist (crude, I know) or
> some form of home-brewed chording device. I considered using Plan 9, but since
> we don't plan to include a pointing device yet, and the viewfinder can only display
> low resolutions and in black and white, I think...
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Author: W B HackerW B Hacker Date: May 17, 2007 07:59
>> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
>> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
>> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
>>
>
> A friend and I are starting a project to create a simple wearable computer. We've
> got some hardware to get started; probably will begin with a laptop, our camera
> viewfinder HMD, and a keyboard strapped around the waist (crude, I know) or
> some form of home-brewed chording device. I considered using Plan 9, but since
> we don't plan to include a pointing device yet, and the viewfinder can only display
> low resolutions and in black and white, I think we'll end up going with something
> designed to be used 80x24 characters at a time... Linux. If somebody can present
> me with some good reasons to use Plan 9 instead, we can try it, but I really
> don't think Plan 9 actually is ideal for a wearable.
>
> John
>
> ...
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Author: johnjohn Date: May 17, 2007 08:21
>>> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>>> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
>>> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
>>> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
>>>
>>
>> A friend and I are starting a project to create a simple wearable computer. We've
>> got some hardware to get started; probably will begin with a laptop, our camera
>> viewfinder HMD, and a keyboard strapped around the waist (crude, I know) or
>> some form of home-brewed chording device. I considered using Plan 9, but since
>> we don't plan to include a pointing device yet, and the viewfinder can only display
>> low resolutions and in black and white, I think we'll end up going with something
>> designed to be used 80x24 characters at a time... Linux. If somebody can present
>> me with some good reasons to use Plan 9 instead, we can try it, but I really
>> don't think Plan 9 actually is ideal for a wearable.
>>
>
> What are your requirements that disqualify Plan 9? Or is just a "feeling"?
> ...
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Author: ron minnichron minnich Date: May 17, 2007 08:25
>> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
>> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
>> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
>>
>
> A friend and I are starting a project to create a simple wearable computer. We've
> got some hardware to get started; probably will begin with a laptop, our camera
> viewfinder HMD, and a keyboard strapped around the waist (crude, I know) or
> some form of home-brewed chording device. I considered using Plan 9, but since
> we don't plan to include a pointing device yet, and the viewfinder can only display
> low resolutions and in black and white, I think...
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