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Author: gdiazgdiaz Date: Feb 4, 2008 04:12
Hola,
Reading 9fans mail list archives you will notice C++ and the "object oriented model" is not much appreciated, there are a lot of references (including great fortunes entries) about this topic.
Search for the discussions, i think there has been other attemps to build a c++ environment, (Steve got cfront working, take a look at the contrib software section of the wiki)
there is people who will love to have a c++ environment, but the preferred way is the plan9 one, which implies no c++.
>So modern operation system with out C++ support is something...unusual
>(i don't know right word in english, that describe what i want to say
>:D)?
>
probably you could say plan9 is not "typical" in this aspect.
slds.
gabi
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Author: Filipp AndronovFilipp Andronov Date: Feb 4, 2008 04:48
> Reading 9fans mail list archives you will notice C++ and the "object oriented model" is not > much appreciated, there are a lot of references (including great fortunes entries) about this > topic.
Yeah, i have notice that, but from my point of view, there are very
many software where object oriented model is perfect way. GUI toolkit
for example, or file system. I didn't see Plan9 file systems sources
yet, but linux VFS object oriented and some proprietary database vfs,
that i have seen are also object oriented. In fact all this stuff was
written in C, where you have pointers to functions in structures, but
it would be much simple to develop it with full OO support.
> Search for the discussions, i think there has been other attemps to build a c++
> environment, (Steve got cfront working, take a look at the contrib software section of the
> wiki)
I does not seen it yet, but cfront is not "modern C++" compiler as far
as i know. So i think that many software that was written with full
C++ features will no work with cfront compiler. Of course i don't know
for sure, and i will explore this later (as far as ьн Plan9 will fly
:D)
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Author: UrielUriel Date: Feb 4, 2008 05:03
2008/2/4 Filipp Andronov gmail.com>:>> Reading 9fans mail list archives you will notice C++ and the "object oriented model" is not > much appreciated, there are a lot of references (including great fortunes entries) about this > topic.
> Yeah, i have notice that, but from my point of view, there are very
> many software where object oriented model is perfect way. GUI toolkit
> for example, or file system. I didn't see Plan9 file systems sources
> yet, but linux VFS object oriented and some proprietary database vfs,
> that i have seen are also object oriented. In fact all this stuff was
> written in C, where you have pointers to functions in structures, but
> it would be much simple to develop it with full OO support.
If you want roman numerals, you know where to find them...
>> probably you could say plan9 is not "typical" in this aspect.
> I mean that when you get some operation system and then you are notice
> that it has no C++ (or even worse, C) environment the first filing is
> shock :))
Inferno... and I hope the shock will send you all the way to the 9fans
archives rather than repeating the same path that has been trodden a
billion times before.
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Author: Eris DiscordiaEris Discordia Date: Feb 4, 2008 05:45
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:01:49 -0000, Uriel gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want roman numerals, you know where to find them...
>
> Inferno... and I hope the shock will send you all the way to the 9fans
> archives rather than repeating the same path that has been trodden a
> billion times before.
>
> Some 20 years 'suddenly'...
>
> uriel
I wonder if you are bitter or something about Plan 9, or the people who
are trying to learn about it. Because you seem to be trying your best to
deter them. What is an "old path" to you, is "the new way" to us, the
hobbyists among us particularly, and we need some incentive, some
supportive character perhaps, to encourage us along the way.
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Author: Anant NarayananAnant Narayanan Date: Feb 4, 2008 06:01
> The fact that the late-adopters, myself included, have had previous
> development and/or everyday use experiences with GNU stuff and that
> they ask of similarities and differences, unawares of whatever
> animosity towards the GNU thing has been brewing in your mind
> through the years, should not have anything to do with their need/
> want to learn about Plan 9. They do "not" need your smart-alecky
> quoting of Rob Pike. What they need is some guidance in their
> transition, regardless of their purpose or previous experiences. If
> you are not kind enough to help, you can at least stand by while
> others do that.
It helps to search the archives before posting. The issues concerning
GNU or C++ have already been discussed several times before -
rekindling the flames can only bring the old-timers to respond as they
have.
Cheers,
Anant
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Author: Eris DiscordiaEris Discordia Date: Feb 4, 2008 06:41
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:59:41 -0000, Anant Narayanan wrote:
> It helps to search the archives before posting. The issues concerning
> GNU or C++ have already been discussed several times before - rekindling
> the flames can only bring the old-timers to respond as they have.
>
> Cheers,
> Anant
You are in the right, or rather you would have been in the right were the
original post about the "aesthetical" aspects of the GNU project and/or
C++, or whether the GNU philosophy is sound. However, Filipp Andronov
asked about the development options available on Plan 9, how they compared
to what she/he has already seen, and whether there were equivalents to
lighten his burden of porting something to Plan 9. A perfectly OK
question, that can, and even should, be asked every once in a while.
What she/he got from Uriel was this:
GNU is bad...
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Author: Martin NeubauerMartin Neubauer Date: Feb 4, 2008 06:44
* Anant Narayanan (anant@kix.in) wrote:
>>The fact that the late-adopters, myself included, have had previous
>>development and/or everyday use experiences with GNU stuff and that
>>they ask of similarities and differences, unawares of whatever
>>animosity towards the GNU thing has been brewing in your mind
>>through the years, should not have anything to do with their need/
>>want to learn about Plan 9. They do "not" need your smart-alecky
>>quoting of Rob Pike. What they need is some guidance in their
>>transition, regardless of their purpose or previous experiences. If
>>you are not kind enough to help, you can at least stand by while
>>others do that.
>
> It helps to search the archives before posting. The issues concerning
> GNU or C++ have already been discussed...
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Author: Skip TavakkolianSkip Tavakkolian Date: Feb 4, 2008 11:23
checking the 9fans archives is a good place to start. many topics
have already been discussed in great detail. it also gives new 9fans
an idea of who to pay attention to and who to ignore.
> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:01:49 -0000, Uriel gmail.com> wrote:
> >> If you want roman numerals, you know where to find them...
>>
>> Inferno... and I hope the shock will send you all the way to...
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