|
|
 Up |
|
|
  |
Author: Eris DiscordiaEris Discordia Date: Aug 19, 2008 18:49
> No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX philosophy,
> not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of where
> to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows
> (Windows Movie Maker doesn't call up another computer now, does it?)
I guess "the UNIX philosophy"--whatever that vague phrase is supposed to
mean--contains "the X philosophy." The core dictum goes: "mechanism, not
policy." That is, they give you the "femur," you determine its use. Russ
Cox knows this better; he's the one at the MIT. "The Plan 9 philosophy"
goes as far as telling you to "not ask for a ruler" in your text editor
(ruler in vi := a pair of numbers; column, row).
> Mac, and I use OS X Mail (so I can get my hands on IMAP's folder system).
> How about the fact that Simon was able to give you a trademark symbol? Do
> yourself a favor: YOU test it. Look in /lib/keyboard for some characters
> and send them here. If they come back as sent, you've proven my point.
> Otherwise, you found a bug.
|
| Show full article (7.19Kb) |
|
| | 11 Comments |
|
|
Author: Pietro GagliardiPietro Gagliardi Date: Aug 19, 2008 19:10
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
>> No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX
>> philosophy,
>> not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of
>> where
>> to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows
>> (Windows Movie Maker doesn't call up another computer now, does it?)
>
> I guess "the UNIX philosophy"--whatever that vague phrase is
> supposed to mean--contains "the X philosophy." The core dictum goes:
> "mechanism, not policy." That is, they give you the "femur," you
> determine its use. Russ Cox knows this better; he's the one at the
> MIT. "The Plan 9 philosophy" goes as far as telling you to "not ask
> for a ruler" in your text editor (ruler in vi := a pair of numbers;
> column, row).
No, that's not the UNIX philosophy. That's the X/Linux/GNU philosophy.
Go read "Program Design in the UNIX Environment" by Kernighan and Pike
to see what I mean.
>
>
>> Mac, and I use OS X Mail (so I can get my hands on IMAP's folder
>> system).
>> How about the fact that Simon was able to give you a trademark
>> symbol? Do
>> yourself a favor: YOU test it...
|
| Show full article (3.83Kb) |
|
| | no comments |
|
|
Author: Iruata SouzaIruata Souza Date: Aug 19, 2008 19:30
eris, I agree, thanks.
iru
|
| |
| 1 Comment |
|
|
Author: sqweeksqweek Date: Aug 19, 2008 22:06
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris Discordia
gmail.com> wrote:> Steve Simon's trademark character, I presume, was generated by [Alt]+0153
Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell?
ifconfig: only root can do that
> $ mount -t motofs /dev/cellnetif /mnt/cell
mount: only root can do that
> $ cp ./r.tokyo.jpg /mnt/cell/
cp: /mnt/cell: permission denied
-sqweek
|
| |
| 4 Comments |
|
|
Author: Steve SimonSteve Simon Date: Aug 20, 2008 01:13
> Steve Simon's trademark character, I presume, was generated by
> [Alt]+0153--you call [Alt] an "Option" key, right?
nope, Alt,T,M
> Well below 255, it's
> just extended/8-bit ASCII. Not right-to-left, not even out of ISO 8859. You
> could generate that character even on MS-DOS.
I don't get this, â„¢ is the unicode character 2122, not ASCII. I agree it could be
generated on a MS-DOS pretty much any byte sequence could be, but I doubt even
DOS 6.22 had unicode support, so you would have to translate it to a code page
reprisentation and load the correct fonts.
-Steve
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: Eris DiscordiaEris Discordia Date: Aug 20, 2008 01:34
"Thank you."
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:13 PM -0300 Iruata Souza
gmail.com> wrote:
> eris, I agree, thanks.
>
> iru
>
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: Eris DiscordiaEris Discordia Date: Aug 20, 2008 02:26
> Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell?
No. I looked it up in Microsoft Windows' Character Map. Saw it was below
255. Knew UTF-8 corresponds to ASCII in lower character codes (not sure
7-bit or 8-bit). Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
> ifconfig: only root can do that
> mount: only root can do that
Funny, but then not funny.
What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the terminal?
What if the "terminal" is your desktop PC? It isn't diskless and it
certainly isn't meant to be a "simple terminal" in a network of a gazillion
machines. Oh, I see, you run the equivalent of _four_ interconnected
machines (cpu, terminal, some fs, and auth) to achieve that. How very
clever. And how's that supposed to be any more secure than authenticating
with Kerberos? Or, in case you're at home, a proper access policy?
> cp: /mnt/cell: permission denied
Why "permission denied?" What keeps a wheel from giving a user permissions
to /mnt/cell? You know, we live in a brave new world. ACLs were invented
long ago.
|
| Show full article (1.71Kb) |
| 3 Comments |
|
|
Author: Sander van DijkSander van Dijk Date: Aug 20, 2008 02:47
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia gmail.com> wrote:>
> [...] Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
Which one?
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: sqweeksqweek Date: Aug 20, 2008 02:55
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Eris Discordia
gmail.com> wrote:>> Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell?
>
> No. I looked it up in Microsoft Windows' Character Map. Saw it was below
> 255. Knew UTF-8 corresponds to ASCII in lower character codes (not sure
> 7-bit or 8-bit). Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
The ascii that is 8 bits is not the true ascii.
>> ifconfig: only root can do that
>> mount: only root can do that
>
> Funny, but then not funny.
>
> What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the terminal?
No. Private namespaces.
>> cp: /mnt/cell: permission denied
>
> Why "permission denied?"
|
| Show full article (0.78Kb) |
| no comments |
|
|
|
|
|
Author: mattmatt Date: Aug 20, 2008 03:14
>
> What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the terminal?
yes, no other things required, you fail (as per usual)
|
| |
| 1 Comment |
|
|
|
|
