Just stay away from Acme if you aren't stuck with Plan 9. None of the
features you need or want are supported in Acme out-of-the-box. Not in any
sane, meaningful way. And if you tell the 9people you need them or want
them they'll either tell you it isn't "worth" it, or it isn't "meant" to be
done that way, or go "do it yourself." They don't understand some people
use computers for different reasons than wasting their time "for"
computers, and in ways far different from their way.

That's the gist of responses you've received before this one. I've gone
through these 9ish episodes twice. Plan 9 and the related software just
isn't for someone who wants to Get Their Job Done (tm). It's a "research"
platform for those who want to "tell" other people what they should do and
how they should do it and why any other way would be "sacrilege." No wonder
it has remained as minuscule and insignificant--9people tell you it's
"nimble," don't believe them--as it is after like 24 years of "development."

I admit we all use plan 9 just to justify ourselves to read and write
threads like the one this post might trigger on 9fans.
For everything else, we use DOS, which is windows simplified, along with edlin.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Eris Discordia
gmail.com> wrote:

Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?

Sorry, I have to bite.

Its because I want to "Get my job done"™ that I use plan9.

-Steve

thanks for setting me straight. for some reason, i thought my company had shipped
several thousand units based on plan 9. i don't know what would have
given me that idea.

also, could you send me the new subtraction table we're supposed
to be using.

[Pike90] R. Pike, D. Presotto, K. Thompson, H. Trickey,
``Plan 9 from Bell Labs'',
.I
UKUUG Proc. of the Summer 1990 Conf. ,
London, England,
1990.

- erik

On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:

Wrong on so many levels. Plan 9 lets you Get The Job Done(TM), but in
a completely different way from *your* approach. Plan 9 obeys the UNIX
way: tools that make jobs simpler. This is augmented by 33 libraries
that provide common utilities in a transparent way. "Everything is a
UTF-8 text file or a mountable filesystem, even devices and severs"
encourages transparency of modules: you can copy a file from a Gopher
network to a mobile phone or without running a million commands. If
you are not like that, leave.

Sorry, I forgot to finish my comments:

Wrong on so many levels. Plan 9 lets you Get The Job Done(TM), but in
a completely different way from *your* approach. Plan 9 obeys the UNIX
way: tools that make jobs simpler. This is augmented by 33 libraries
that provide common utilities in a transparent way. "Everything is a
UTF-8 text file or a mountable filesystem, even devices and severs"
encourages transparency of modules: you can copy a file from a Gopher
network in Tokyo to a mobile phone from Mexico or have the filesystem
report how much free space is left without running a million commands
or typing a thousand lines of code. If you are not like that, leave.

On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:

You might give Sam a try. I'm still working my way up to Acme too, but Sam has an edge over vi for me... ...Might be nice if there was an option to open a document in a default window though, but if it were a big enough concern, I've got the source and could make the change... :)

-Ben

"Just lurking," I overheard the "hackers" say.

--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:12 PM -0600 andrey mirtchovski
gmail.com> wrote:

No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having
written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change
my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. You have nothing else but
"researching" OS's and "submitting" papers. That "justifies" your 9life.
Others, like me, have some "petty" work to do. Like knowing which character
on which line they're editing or controlling how long their lines of text
get, _without_ resorting to acrobatics.

--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:14 AM +0200 Francisco J Ballesteros
lsub.org> wrote: