I don't know why people cant come here complain about this, but the
site is down *again*.
It has been very unstable for some days now.

{plan9,cm}.bell-labs.com returns Object not Found.

thanks for the attention,
iru

Another thing is, where is http://cm.bell-labs.com/? I can't access
any page on that (/who/bwk has Brian Kernighan's page, which has
links to the source code he made with company, /cs, which gives you
access to the CSTR website, which includes old papers; /cm/cs/^(upe
awkbook cbook tpop), some books (the awkbook one is one I'd like to
find errata for).

On Jan 12, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Iruata Souza wrote:

On Jan 12, 2008 5:45 AM, Iruata Souza gmail.com> wrote:

it's simple. Do you help support it? Do you contribute money to keep
it going? Do you send them hardware to help them in some way?

People have every right to complain when they pay for something and
don't get it.

They have no right to complain when something which is free is not
there when they want it.

It's a lot of work to maintain the site, the networks, and the
machines that go with it. No one is paid to do it -- it is done as a
service to us. Rather than complain when it is not there, we should
thank those who make it work when it is there.

So, yes, you might politely *ask* why the site is down, or if anyone
has any information. But to *complain* about it is to step over the
line.

thanks

ron

On 1/12/08, ron minnich gmail.com> wrote:

People can complain about everything they want to
People are free to accept or not the complaining in the same manner
they are free to accept or not answering questions.

iru

On 1/12/08, ron minnich gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Iruata Souza wrote:

Who does so?

On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Iruata Souza wrote:

I see the site down frequently (once or twice a week maybe).

I'd consider a donation, but wasn't aware that was even a possibility.

I am curious though. There is clearly a recurring problem. Is it
hardware, software, or undiagnosed?

Gary Wright

If you can't connect to plan9.bell-labs.com but you
can connect to, say, sources.cs.bell-labs.com
or even plain old www.bell-labs.com, then it's
exceedingly unlikely that the problem is on your end.
If you were really worried about that possibility,
you could log into a machine somewhere else in
the world (the Japan Plan 9 machines, for example)
and try connecting from there.

Whichever end has the connectivity problem, it doesn't
contribute anything to the quality of 9fans traffic
for a half dozen people to post "gee, it doesn't work
for me right now either". If you want to bring the problem to
someone's attention, this is one of the few situations in
which it makes sense to mail 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com
instead of posting to 9fans. (Even if the machine
plan9.bell-labs.com is down, mail to 9trouble will still
arrive at Bell Labs via a different mail server.)

On 1/12/08, Russ Cox swtch.com> wrote:

so you confirm the reason why I sent these mails: it seems to be unnoticed.
now the problem resumes to where to send the notice; if 9trouble is a
better place, I'll mail there instead.

iru