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Author: Eris DiscordiaEris Discordia Date: Jul 1, 2008 01:32
> Having said that, but for web browsing, I'm quite
> happy using Plan 9 as an end user that mostly writes code, slides, and
> docs and reads mail. I mean, I use it not just to modify it. This does not
> mean I cannot use others as well.
It's fine, if you're fine with it ;-) Do you ever visit any AJAX enabled
websites? Do you consider AJAX a superfluous technology? Do you switch to
your "other OS" machine--or reboot your current machine--if and when you
visit GMail's pages (at least to enable IMAP access for the first time)?
What's your opinion on good ol' non-standard CSS? Won't you ever want to
use one of these new "content delivery" systems, such as Microsoft
Silverlight or Adobe Flash?
Do you sometimes need to write an XML document? Do you need to validate it?
Do you need to transform it? Are you going to write or port each and every
application you need for doing so?
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Author: luciolucio Date: Jul 1, 2008 21:56
> It's fine, if you're fine with it ;-) Do you ever visit any AJAX enabled
> websites? Do you consider AJAX a superfluous technology? Do you switch to
> your "other OS" machine--or reboot your current machine--if and when you
> visit GMail's pages (at least to enable IMAP access for the first time)?
> What's your opinion on good ol' non-standard CSS? Won't you ever want to
> use one of these new "content delivery" systems, such as Microsoft
> Silverlight or Adobe Flash?
You're putting the cart before the horse. Of course there is
"utility" computing out there and of course there is Microsoft to fill
that niche. And Linux to follow in its footsteps. But there is a
frightening prospect if you assume that utility computing is all that
computing is about, namely that only massive programming effort is
required to produce any sort of computing product.
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Author: Robert William FullerRobert William Fuller Date: Jul 1, 2008 22:23
lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> Utility computing is perfectly fine as long as it is balanced by
> original development, but it is poisonous if it preclueds any original
> participation. Open Source is one form of rebellion, but it lacks the
> robust foundations of sound program development. Plan 9 is a much
> smaller, better designed approach. I'm sure we won't see Plan 9
O yeahhh umm yeah like r u 3l3t3? Err uh yeah or is it 1337?
> contenders and I'm sorry to see that happening, but that is the nature
> of the beast. Had Plan 9 caught the imagination of the "masses", it
> would have grown the same tumors as Linux, and that would have
> defeated its nature.
>
> Think Pascal: it is hardly the language of choice today, but the
> principles it enshrines have totally altered the programming language
> landscape. C is the utility version, and C++ and Java its obvious
Surrrrre uhhh yeah whatever you say.... Or was it Algol?
> offsprings. Alef has been abandoned and Limbo remains a very
> specialised language, but they will also leave their mark.
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Author: andrey mirtchovskiandrey mirtchovski Date: Jul 1, 2008 23:14
> Mozilla didn't create the web. The web created Mozilla.
just change Mozilla to Mosaic and see how P→Q suddenly becomes Q→P
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Author: erik quanstromerik quanstrom Date: Jul 2, 2008 05:13
why are you flaming somebody who's offering reasonable
opinions?
>> Think Pascal: it is hardly the language of choice today, but the
>> principles it enshrines have totally altered the programming language
>> landscape. C is the utility version, and C++ and Java its obvious
>
> Surrrrre uhhh yeah whatever you say.... Or was it Algol?
this stands out as particularly worth of rebuttal.
the labs were against types. but in the end
even the labs adopted them.
>> offsprings. Alef has been abandoned and Limbo remains a very
>> specialised language, but they will also leave their mark.
>
> So does a dog pissing on a fire hydrant.
perhaps you've forgotten that the thread library is
a direct result of alef.
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Author: luciolucio Date: Jul 2, 2008 10:50
> Mozilla didn't create the web. The web created Mozilla.
And the Internet created the web? And the PC gave rise to Lotus
1-2-3?
Not necessarily. Nothing gave the Internet (here in South Africa) as
much a boost as Win'95. The Web wouldn't have been the same success
without Netscape. So there you are, which is the cart and which the
horse?
++L
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Author: David LeimbachDavid Leimbach Date: Jul 2, 2008 10:57
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:28 AM, wrote:
>> Mozilla didn't create the web. The web created Mozilla.
>
> And the Internet created the web? And the PC gave rise to Lotus
> 1-2-3?
>
> Not necessarily. Nothing gave the Internet (here in South Africa) as
> much a boost as Win'95. The Web wouldn't have been the same success
> without Netscape. So there you are, which is the cart and which the
> horse?
I think they're co-dependent factors. People wanted to get on the web, so
they got a browser. People didn't want to use a browser for the sake of
using a browser :-).
If win95 made it easy to get a browser, people got it, so they could get on
the web.
Did browsers make the web more useful? Yep, most definitely for most folks,
which is where the pressure to use a browser on the internet came from to
begin with.
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Author: Wes KussmaulWes Kussmaul Date: Jul 2, 2008 12:01
andrey mirtchovski wrote:
>> Mozilla didn't create the web. The web created Mozilla.
>>
>
> just change Mozilla to Mosaic and see how P→Q suddenly becomes Q→P
>
Why not redirect all this energy to answering the question, "What comes
after the Web?"
Wes Kussmaul
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Author: erik quanstromerik quanstrom Date: Jul 2, 2008 12:38
> Why not redirect all this energy to answering the question, "What comes
> after the Web?"
>
> Wes Kussmaul
intravenous television.
- erik
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Author: Skip TavakkolianSkip Tavakkolian Date: Jul 2, 2008 14:22
>> Why not redirect all this energy to answering the question, "What comes
>> after the Web?"
>>
>> Wes Kussmaul
>
> intravenous television.
>
> - erik
maybe that's why it is called you*tube* :)
corporate users probably use computers in the performance of their
jobs, but the fact is that the majority of the pc's
-- and indeed all
game machines, music devices, etc. -- are used for entertainment.
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