lack of an introduction is not the problem. not being unix
is the problem.

come again?

- erik

i thought it meant that he always types in cc commands on unix.
of course you could do that too with 8c/8l but normally on plan 9 i
create a mkfile except for the tiniest one-off things.

erik quanstrom wrote:

Looking too much like UNIX while acting differently is part of the
problem. However, the bigger part is that the existing documentation
can be a bit daunting for someone who is new to Plan 9, and still has
only a vague notion of how the system works. Like the UNIX man pages,
the documentation is very detailed, and great for a reference. But many
new users need a bit of hand-holding, of the "Trust me, you want to run
this command. You'll learn why/how later, but for now, just RUN THIS
COMMAND." sort. At least until the 'new user' anxiety dies down a bit,
and the return of rational thought allows one to digest the more
extensive documentation.

Besides, isn't not being UNIX one of the prominent features of Plan 9?

I do this:

fn build {
8c $1^.c && 8l -o $1 $1^.8 && rm $1^.8
}
acmef sieve.c # acmef opens acme with fixed-width font in one column
build sieve
sieve 2053

when I need to build a one-file program.

That's another good argument against Plan 9 that Unix users can make:
why do I have to run two programs to compile a C source code file when
Unix needed only one? I've grown used to it - build and mk help.

On Jun 30, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote:

This is a very good point. I mostly learned Unix in a corporate
environment, but the same logic holds: somebody else had set
up and maintained the systems.

// I'm afraid there's not much we can do about this.

Other, obviously, than getting uni types to use it there. Plan 9
(like Inferno) has quite a bit to offer from pedagogical view.

// Trinity College Dublin

Pretty campus, warm sweatshirts. Convince your IT folks. ;-)

anthony

I have not even started such thing, but, if you go for it and want help,
count me in :)

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros lsub.org> wrote:

And I would read it! :)

tautology, no? to be plan 9 it must be different. if it were not, it would be unix.

- erik