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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: Eris Discordia
Date: Sep 12, 2008 05:38

Neither "purposeful omission" nor "amnesia." Rather pragmatism. Nachos,
ReactOS, QNX, and many others are left unmentioned, too. From these QNX has
been _really_ successful in the real world and it's fully POSIX. MOS is a
book for teaching the natural way to students not the (fruitless) deviation
to "hackers." Plan 9 is _for now_ a marginal player.

Just a look at how Anant Narayanan promoted his talk explains it all (and
he's a student of Tanenbaum's department):

"Plan 9 from Bell Labs is a radically new approach to operating and
distributed systems. Unencumbered by requirements such as ANSI or POSIX
compliance, the authors were able to take full advantage of modern
technology made available to us since UNIX was first conceived."

-- http://foss.in/2007/register/speakers/talkdetailspub.php?talkid=388

"Radically new?" "Unencumbered?" "Full advantage?" "Modern technology?"
Puh-lease! Microsoft had/has the largest installed base of operating
systems and the latest "technology access" and they didn't dare utter that.
Imagine this at some Microsoft developer convention: "we present here the
new version of Windows, completely 'unencumbered' by POSIX."

P.S. This was just some useless whining. A little spark. Let it die on its
own... there'll be no flames.
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: Pietro Gagliardi
Date: Sep 12, 2008 11:51

On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Eris Discordia wrote:
> completely 'unencumbered' by POSIX."

s/completely/almost &/

Pietro
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: Eris Discordia
Date: Sep 12, 2008 15:34

> s/completely/almost &/

Please don't try to educate me P. G. Microsoft got themselves into lots of
trouble to make NT almost POSIX compliant and to also create a fully POSIX
compliant subsystem (SFU/SUA/Interix). Everybody knows that. The sentence
you quoted was a hypothetical, you know, a _hypothetical_. Seeing how
"terrific" the hypothetical sounds one gets to shudder at the sound of
Anant Narayanan's actual "promotion" of Plan 9.

--On Friday, September 12, 2008 2:47 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi
mac.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Eris Discordia wrote:
>
>> completely 'unencumbered' by POSIX."
>
> s/completely/almost &/
>
> Pietro
>
>
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: lucio
Date: Sep 12, 2008 21:57

>> s/completely/almost &/
>
> Please don't try to educate me

This is a mailing list, not your private forum. I'd like to repeat
the call to suspend anonymous posters.

++L
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: Uriel
Date: Sep 13, 2008 07:30

Yea, fascism and censure will solve the problem! God forbid we stop
feeding the trolls!

Peace

uriel

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 6:53 AM, wrote:
>>> s/completely/almost &/
>>
>> Please don't try to educate me
>
> This is a mailing list, not your private forum. I'd like to repeat
> the call to suspend anonymous posters.
>
> ++L
>
>
>
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: sqweek
Date: Sep 13, 2008 07:57

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM, wrote:
> This is a mailing list, not your private forum. I'd like to repeat
> the call to suspend anonymous posters.

What exactly is an "anonymous poster"?
-sqweek
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: hiro
Date: Sep 13, 2008 09:11

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:54 PM, sqweek gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM, wrote:
>> This is a mailing list, not your private forum. I'd like to repeat
>> the call to suspend anonymous posters.
>
> What exactly is an "anonymous poster"?
> -sqweek
>
>

You should all get banned!1!11!
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Re: [9fans] purposeful omission or amnesia         


Author: lucio
Date: Sep 13, 2008 09:25

> What exactly is an "anonymous poster"?

Good question. I'll back down, let's encourage purely confrontational
postings. Cheers!

++L
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