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Author: xahlee
Date: Aug 19, 2008 14:54

Ok, today's Wikipedia learned me few things.

One is the term “von neumann programnig lang”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_programming_languages

effectively, that's those of C, C++, Java, sh, perl and the bunch of
garbage to no ends.

In short, “von neumann programnig lang” are those modeled on computer
hardware. Namely, storage, control flow. (thus the bunch of garbage
such as memory address, pointers, file handle, (and, lisp's cons))

I find the discovery of this term very illuminating. I used to use
pages of words to describe the low-level ness that exhibit in these
stupid langs. The term “von neumann programnig lang” gives a concise,
quotable, insight on why it is so.

Lets start to throw the jargon “von neumann programnig language” in C,
C++, Java, Perl etc newsgroups. Seriously. It'll help educate society.

* * *

i also learned today, about what's called “functional-level
programing”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function-level_programming
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Re: von neumann programing lang; functional-level programing         


Author: xahlee
Date: Aug 19, 2008 18:41

Xah Lee wrote:
«
...
In short, “Von Neumann programnig lang” are those modeled on computer
hardware. Namely, storage and control flow. (thus the bunch of garbage
such as memory address, pointers, file handle (and lisp's cons).)

I find the discovery of this term very illuminating. I used to use
pages of words to describe the low-level ness that exhibit in these
stupid langs. The term “Von Neumann programnig lang” gives a concise,
quotable, insight on why it is so.
...
»

I have now extended a bit this essay, with a perm url at:
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/hardware_based_langs.html

Here's the added paragraph:
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Re: von neumann programing lang; functional-level programing         


Author: Mr. X
Date: Aug 20, 2008 17:56

gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9a6a2d97-3308-46ce-8e7c-7006b6655bc0@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> In short, "von neumann programnig lang" are those modeled on computer
> hardware. Namely, storage, control flow. (thus the bunch of garbage
> such as memory address, pointers, file handle, (and, lisp's cons))
>
> I find the discovery of this term very illuminating. I used to use
> pages of words to describe the low-level ness that exhibit in these
> stupid langs. The term "von neumann programnig lang" gives a concise,
> quotable, insight on why it is so.

He had designs for better systems but died before he was able to impliment
them.

As for why he did it the way he did, please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church-Turing_thesis
> The force of this particular formalism is that it makes it more
> subject to mathematical analysis (and thus makes it more powerful and
> flexible), similar to for example to the clear separation of features
> in 2nd order logic from first order logic. Wikipedia said it best,
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Re: von neumann programing lang; functional-level programing         


Author: xahlee
Date: Aug 20, 2008 20:37

On Aug 20, 5:56 pm, "Mr. X" spam.net> wrote:
> As to why traditional math is not better, please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems

in newsgroup, one indication that the poster is some kinda of
sophomoronic idiot, is whether they mention such things as Godel's
theorem or turing complete.

Xah
http://xahlee.org/

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Re: von neumann programing lang; functional-level programing         


Author: Mr. X
Date: Aug 21, 2008 03:14

gmail.com> wrote in message
news:85111379-4e8a-41ef-891d-d73fcee12385@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> in newsgroup, one indication that the poster is some kinda of
> sophomoronic idiot, is whether they mention such things as Godel's
> theorem or turing complete.

Please see your doctor about your prescription.

X
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Re: von neumann programing lang; functional-level programing         


Author: Kenny
Date: Aug 21, 2008 04:12

Mr. X wrote:
> gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:85111379-4e8a-41ef-891d-d73fcee12385@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>>in newsgroup, one indication that the poster is some kinda of
>>sophomoronic idiot, is whether they mention such things as Godel's
>>theorem or turing complete.
>
>
> Please see your doctor about your prescription.
>
>
> X
>
>

Please see your joke book about material to avoid at all costs because
it is so predictable, unimaginative, overused, and other bad stuff I
cannot remember, it will be in the book.

hth, Y
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