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Group: comp.lang.functional · Group Profile
Author: Xah Lee
Date: Jan 24, 2008 06:22

(this post the 3rd part continuation from previous one)

Kenny wrote:
«If it helps, what I notice is the character-orientation of your
summary. eg, What happens if my last sentence instead was, "That
summary is character-oriented?" You and I just disappeared, and the
chance of interpersonal conflict diminishes. On those rare occasions
when I am not actively making trouble here, I sometimes go back and
rewrite so all the pronouns disappear. Fascinating exercise.»

«...»

«You worried above about being a genius, here's something you might
like. I got the idea from a bumper sticker, so you know it's good:
"If you think you can do anything, try sailing." Made relevant,
nothing is harder or more rewarding for folks like us than getting
along with others. So if you think you are a genius, Xah, figure out
how to get along with folks on Usenet. I'll give you a headstart from
your roots: "Win without fighting."»

Thank you for the kind gesture.

Though, the question here, is whether i'm willing.

Further, the underlying assumption is hostility and benevolence. In
general, i'm probably one of the most loving person here. I quote:

«The best index to a person's character is (a) how he treats
people who can't do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who
can't fight back.» —Abigail Van Buren)

(Compare, the loving, caring, moralists and mother-fuck-faces such as
George W Bush, who caused the death of 40 thousand to 260 thousand
people)

Also, consider in a smaller scale of those “benign” and “OpenSource-
morally-good” tech geekers who holds power. Namely, those ops/
admins/“first-click”-creators in IRCs, blogs, mailing lists, online
forums, newsgroups... many have banned/kicked and harassed me (one of
them in a legal way), some i'd guess wish to do me harm because they
think i'm a “troll”.

(perhaps i should note here, publicly for the first time, that i was
banished in freenode's irc emacs channel in 2006 (and still banned to
this day), by a FSF-abiding (and employee), morality-sensitive,
vegetarian, fuckface one John Sullivan (aka johnsu01), despite that
i'm perhaps one of the most helpful member in that channel at the time
(and i offered verifiable proof on this assertion)
For detail, see the link at:
http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_essays_index.html
)

Kenny wrote:
«Ironically, that is hard for you because you are /too/ social an
animal. The sociopath feels no connection to others and so can charm
them into doing anything. Your thin skin (a great metaphor, btw)
leaves you no way to keep people out, no way to shrug off those whose
e-company you do not enjoy. In a sense, by reacting strongly to others
you make their problems your problem, in that you cannot be
comfortable as long as they are jerks. Not a recipe for contentment.
There are billions of people on this planet, put your energy into
those you enjoy, not so much into those you do not. When your will
weakens, well, hey, what's a killfile for? :)»

Yeah... i appreciate your comments. I like writing. I used to despise
writing when i was 20ish (~1990), thinking it a second-rate activity
that should be allotted to writers as opposed to mathematicians.
(apparently, this is not a uncommon thought among scientists, among
which is Einstein) But since about maybe mid 1990s, i find that i
enjoy writings. I guess there are several reasons i can trace back.
One is my habit of reading dictionaries. I, perhaps, have checked
English dictionary entries more number of times than all persons ever
visited comp.lang.lisp in their lifetimes since the existence of
comp.lang.lisp, combined. (unless, one of them happens to be a
lexicographer) (or, altertively assessment: more than 99%% of persons
of who have a PHD in literature or English) Secondly, my study of
logic has made me practiced extensive writing in a most austere,
logical style possible, during mid 1990s. This happenstance also
trained me greatly in critical thinking and made me aware of many deep
problems and levels of logic and philosophy, esp in communication and
English expressions. (and i have since come to fucking despise
grammarians and English writing pedants (because i find their ideas
and teachings moronic))

Another comment to your above paragraph, is the concept of living by
hatred. You have seen Star Wars right? In Star War, there's the Siths,
who live and thrive by hatred. Y'know, there's saying among them, that
the hatred leads to power. I just found the following verse on the
web:

The Sith Philosophy

Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hatred leads to power.
Power leads to victory.
Let your anger flow through you.
Your hate will make you strong.
True power is only achieved through testing the limits of one's
anger, passing through unscathed.
Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.
The dark side of the Force offers unimaginable power.
The dark side is stronger than the light.
The weak deserve their fate.

Speaking of hatred, one has to wonder, whence does hatred origin?
According to the above, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, but
that's just a theatrical composition. Fear is inherent in every human
animal, in particular, the fearing of other human animals, but fear
doesn't necessarily leads to anger, and fear isn't the dominant
emotion among a human animal's emotions. So, at this point, the
verse's logic of the origin of hatred breaks down. After all, it is
theatrical. Now, back in reality, hatred nevertheless usually has a
cause. You don't hate unless someone, something, made you. The US
American culture, in general believes in some pure form of evil (such
as Sadam Hussein).

This can be seen in their comic book stories of superheros they are
brought up with, where the story line can almost always be
characterized as a clearly divided forces of good vs evil, and the bad
guys usually take the form of some pure dark evil lord. It is also
cultivated from their God-Believing-Sect's scriptures of the concept
of devil. (contrast this to the Greek mythologies, where gods or
mortals, good deeds and bad deeds, are all complex and human, and
nearly impossible to say who's the “bad guy”.)

Although i live by love and knowledge, but I thrive by hatred. Hatred
gives I a reason to live. Hatred gives me hope. Hatred enpowers me. It
is hatred, indigence, defiance, that drove me to a quest for
knowledge. It is hatred, of motherfucking lisping _idiots_ with PHD
tattood to their faces, that drove the production of this essay that
explicate a view of high-level language i long had. (will be archived
on my website soon)

A couple more quotations for the road:

«Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which
differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people
are not even capable of forming such opinions.» — Albert Einstein,
1954

«It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your
own ignorance.» —Thomas Sowell

Xah
xah@xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/

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