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Author: xahlee
Date: Aug 27, 2008 11:25

hi Jon Harrop,

[ “Haskell's virginity” by Jon Harrop
http://flyingfrogblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/haskells-virginity.html
(a report on OCaml and Haskell use in linux)
]

First, i like to thank you for the informative study on particular
aspect of OCaml and Haskell popularity. I think it is informative, and
the effort of your report in to some degree non-trivial.

With that said, i do believe your opinion are often biased and tends
peddle your products and website about OCaml.

In particular, i don't think the conclusion you made, about how OCaml
is one order of magnitude more use in the industry, being valid.

For example, many commercial use of languages are not public. As a
example, Wolfram Research, the maker of Mathematica, sells more
Mathematica than any lisp companies combined.
This can be gathered from company size and financial records. However,
if you go by your methods, such as polling stats from linux distros,
or other means of checking stats among open source communities, you
won't find any indication of this.
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Re: OCaml vs Haskell [was Re: What do you LISPers think of Haskell?]         


Author: Jon Harrop
Date: Aug 27, 2008 13:20

xahlee@gmail.com wrote:
> With that said, i do believe your opinion are often biased and tends
> peddle your products and website about OCaml.

I certainly do peddle our products whenever possible. However, the data I
presented are verifiable and I would encourage anyone interested to repeat
the analysis themselves. There are many caveats in doing so but I think any
reasonable study will come to the same conclusion because the data are so
clear in this case.
> In particular, i don't think the conclusion you made, about how OCaml
> is one order of magnitude more use in the industry, being valid.

That was not my conclusion! I was careful to say that this refers only to
open source software (having examined two major Linux distros). I added
that this undermines my confidence in using Haskell commercially but that
is a personal opinion and not a justifiable conclusion.
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Re: OCaml vs Haskell [was Re: What do you LISPers think of Haskell?]         


Author: Jon Harrop
Date: Sep 10, 2008 22:16

xahlee@gmail.com wrote:
> For example, many commercial use of languages are not public. As a
> example, Wolfram Research, the maker of Mathematica, sells more
> Mathematica than any lisp companies combined.
> This can be gathered from company size and financial records. However,
> if you go by your methods, such as polling stats from linux distros,
> or other means of checking stats among open source communities, you
> won't find any indication of this.

I believe WRI sell products over several orders of magnitude range in cost
so I don't understand how you could have done that analysis.

--
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/?u
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