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Author: Jon HarropJon Harrop Date: Oct 19, 2007 04:01
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Author: Ulf WigerUlf Wiger Date: Oct 19, 2007 04:34
Jon Harrop wrote:
...except I don't see anything I would call an announcement
yet. An admittedly very important person at Microsoft has
written in a blog that they want to take F# further. This
is neither a commitment, nor a product announcement.
I'll take note when Microsoft officially announces the new
product F# and puts some marketing muscle behind it.
BR,
Ulf W
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Author: Daniel C. WangDaniel C. Wang Date: Oct 19, 2007 05:59
There is a commitment to staff a team to bring this to fruition. I know
about internal job postings for these positions at least. Also, given
that .NET supports Python and likely Ruby with the DLR. I would not find
it odd that they support F#. Soma is not just some important guy, he
is the VP of developer division. He uses the blog as a marketing tool!
So there you go.
I find it odd that you want a lot of marketing dollars spent when a blog
post will do just as well!
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Author: Ulf WigerUlf Wiger Date: Oct 19, 2007 06:38
Daniel C. Wang wrote:
> There is a commitment to staff a team to bring this to fruition. I know
> about internal job postings for these positions at least. Also, given
> that .NET supports Python and likely Ruby with the DLR. I would not find
> it odd that they support F#. Soma is not just some important guy, he is
> the VP of developer division. He uses the blog as a marketing tool! So
> there you go.
>
> I find it odd that you want a lot of marketing dollars spent when a blog
> post will do just as well!
That's just it. A blog article is for free, and non-committal.
You can use it to float an idea and see how well it fares on
digg and reddit. Announcing that they will pay more attention
to F# is interesting, but even doing so serves to market
Microsoft as a forward-thinking software company, and .NET
as a flexible and powerful platform - at minimal cost,
and no risk whatsoever.
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Date: Oct 19, 2007 08:01
On Oct 19, 12:59 pm, "Daniel C. Wang" gmail.com> wrote:> There is a commitment to staff a team to bring this to fruition. I know
> about internal job postings for these positions at least. Also, given
> that .NET supports Python and likely Ruby with the DLR. I would not find
> it odd that they support F#. Soma is not just some important guy, he
> is the VP of developer division. He uses the blog as a marketing tool!
> So there you go.
>
Well I wouldn't consider IronPython "productized" (whatever that
means). From an external perspective, you still download it from the
open source codeplex site, and there aren't product pages on the
*. microsoft.com sites. It sounded like F# was going to be more or a
first-class part of the .NET world. If it is, that'll be huge for the
functional programming community.
But I agree with Ulf; right now I'm just keeping my fingers crossed
and hoping for the best.
-Grant
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Author: Jon HarropJon Harrop Date: Oct 19, 2007 16:27
Ulf Wiger wrote:
> That's just it. A blog article is for free, and non-committal.
Microsoft are employing a lot of people to work on F# now. Once they have a
professional-quality product they'll ship it and start marketing. So they
are committed and they have put their money where their mouth is.
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Author: Daniel C. WangDaniel C. Wang Date: Oct 19, 2007 18:33
Ulf Wiger wrote:
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> For Microsoft, selling development tools _is_ core business,
> or at least significant business. But it's not clear that it
> serves the company's interest to spend marketing money on
> F#. If they would, I'd agree that it's a major event for
> sure.
I cannot speak what is planned, but just knowing F# is as a supported
product as IronPython in itself is quiet useful. There are many times
when I wanted to use F# but it "wasn't officially supported". Just
knowing it's "officially supported" means its an easier sell then before
to use F# in a product. F# is one aspect of the whole .NET platform so
I'm sure it will show up as a marketing bullet at some point.
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Author: GriffGriff Date: Oct 21, 2007 08:01
On Oct 19, 8:33 pm, "Daniel C. Wang" gmail.com> wrote:> There are many times when I wanted to use F# but it "wasn't officially supported". Just
> knowing it's "officially supported" means its an easier sell then before
It is "just another CLR language" at that point. You are selling .NET,
not "some fringe language".
This is pretty exciting.
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Author: Ulf WigerUlf Wiger Date: Oct 22, 2007 05:08
Jon Harrop wrote:
> Ulf Wiger wrote:
>> That's just it. A blog article is for free, and non-committal.
>
> Microsoft are employing a lot of people to work on F# now. Once they have a
> professional-quality product they'll ship it and start marketing. So they
> are committed and they have put their money where their mouth is.
>
If you say so. You seem to have some inside information.
From what I can glean from Microsoft's web pages
(e.g. http://research.microsoft.com/fsharp/community.aspx),
it seems as if there are some 10 people working on the
technology, and a bunch of early adopters. Many of the names
are impressive, for sure, but OTOH, those are the first
people within Microsoft that you'd expect to take up something
like F#.
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