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Author: xahleexahlee Date: Sep 2, 2008 03:41
A moron Tamas K Papp wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:20:34 +0200, Rainer Joswig wrote:
>> I read one of those. The guy was arguing that PI was a rational number.
>> He explained that there was some conspiracy going on so that this truth
>> is not revealed to the public. He spend lots of time to create fancy
>> drawings - probably the paper was typeset with something like TeX -
>> which at that time was not that widely available.
>
> I have a friend who is a mathematician at a major US university.
> Apparently their Math department gets quite a bit of mail from crackpots
> who claim similar things. Some even come to the building and put up
> fliers (!).
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Author: Benjamin L. RussellBenjamin L. Russell Date: Sep 3, 2008 00:30
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:41:54 -0700 (PDT), "xahlee@ gmail.com"
gmail.com> wrote:
>Extremely
>hurried grasping of new technologies in competition with deadlines.
Actually, I've been personally acquainted with this problem and what
it entails, having worked for a short time as a liaison ("Project
Manager") between Japanese marketing personnel in Japan who didn't
speak English and Bangladesh PHP programmers in Bangladesh who spoke
very poor English.
One Bangladesh programmer who happened to be working locally in that
same office in Japan, when hearing of the problem of lack of learning
of new technologies, said that he thought that one solution was to
have programmers work in pairs, with one senior, experienced
programmer acting as a mentor to a junior programmer.
The problem with this approach is that it doesn't help much in
learning pioneer technologies; it only helps with technologies in
which the senior programmer already has some experience/knowledge.
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Author: namekuseijinnamekuseijin Date: Sep 3, 2008 12:39
On 3 set, 04:30, Benjamin L. Russell Yahoo.com> wrote:> Most of the programmers whom I worked with were not interested in
> programming theory, or even in programming per se, and spent most of
> their free time in the office watching giant centipedes eating mice on
> YouTube, chatting in Yahoo! Messenger, or sending e-mail.
Or reading newsgroups, if they are old-timers... ;)
> Once, I
> tried discussing the Towers of Hanoi problem with one of them, and he
> replied that it was "a very hard problem" in programming. I couldn't
> believe this. Towers of Hanoi is a first-year student problem for
> computer science students!
That's the typical everyday joe. Most people I know from IT only
really know SQL as a programming language. And that is just to fetch
their precious user data in order to feed them to business rules
processors. Why should they give any thought to interesting new
problems so far fetched from their everyday domain? They just let
others write creative tools for them and are happy to just be the
middlemen between tools and users.
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Author: KennyKenny Date: Sep 3, 2008 15:25
define-symbol-macro?
What the hell is that?
s/b defsymmacro, I smell a Schemer. :(
kenny
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Author: John ThingstadJohn Thingstad Date: Sep 3, 2008 15:35
PÃ¥ Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:25:06 +0200, skrev Kenny gmail.com>:
> define-symbol-macro?
>
> What the hell is that?
>
> s/b defsymmacro, I smell a Schemer. :(
>
Same as define-condition, a Pitman name ;) (He prefers whole words
remember)
It associates a symbol with a form which is verbatimly substituted in for
the symbol.
It was introduced to Lisp to support with-slots and with-accessors.
As such it is rarely called directly, but sometimes used in macros.
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John Thingstad
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Author: Thomas F. BurdickThomas F. Burdick Date: Sep 3, 2008 16:30
On Sep 4, 12:25Â am, Kenny gmail.com> wrote:> define-symbol-macro?
>
> What the hell is that?
>
> s/b defsymmacro, I smell a Schemer. :(
>
> kenny
Brought to you by the Lispers who don't want to remove the fun from
their functions, the letter Qute, and the number 2.
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Author: Marco AntoniottiMarco Antoniotti Date: Sep 4, 2008 01:24
On Sep 4, 12:25Â am, Kenny gmail.com> wrote:> define-symbol-macro?
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> What the hell is that?
>
> s/b defsymmacro, I smell a Schemer. :(
(def symbol-macro kenny ...)
if you sue DEFINER :)
Cheers
--
Marco
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Author: Slobodan BlazeskiSlobodan Blazeski Date: Sep 4, 2008 02:10
namekuseijin wrote:
> On 3 set, 04:30, Benjamin L. Russell Yahoo.com> wrote:>> Most of the programmers whom I worked with were not interested in
>> programming theory, or even in programming per se, and spent most of
>> their free time in the office watching giant centipedes eating mice on
>> YouTube, chatting in Yahoo! Messenger, or sending e-mail.
>
> Or reading newsgroups, if they are old-timers... ;)
>
>> Once, I
>> tried discussing the Towers of Hanoi problem with one of them, and he
>> replied that it was "a very hard problem" in programming. I couldn't
>> believe this. Towers of Hanoi is a first-year student problem for
>> computer science students!
>
> That's the typical everyday joe. Most people I know from IT only
> really know SQL as a programming language. And that is just to fetch
> their precious user data in order to feed them to business rules
> processors. Why should they give any thought to interesting new
> problems so far fetched from their everyday domain? They just let ...
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Author: Rob WarnockRob Warnock Date: Sep 4, 2008 03:08
Kenny gmail.com> wrote:
+---------------
| define-symbol-macro?
| What the hell is that?
| s/b defsymmacro, I smell a Schemer. :(
+---------------
Indeed! See <http://rpw3.org/hacks/lisp/deflex.lisp>
for how a *former* Schemer uses DEFINE-SYMBOL-MACRO
to make life in a CL REPL a little more comfortable
(or a little more like Scheme, your choice). ;-} ;-}
-Rob
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Rob Warnock rpw3.org>
627 26th Avenue <URL:http://rpw3.org/>
San Mateo, CA 94403 (650)572-2607
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Author: namekuseijinnamekuseijin Date: Sep 5, 2008 22:20
On 4 set, 06:10, Slobodan Blazeski gmail.com>
wrote:> Shit man we only do pop music, what the
> hell do you need those kind of crup? So continue playing vanilla pop
> at work and program at home why the bozo practices Fifth Caprice.
Yep. Shame there's an audience for well-crafted, ingenious music even
outside musicians themselves but not an audience for well-crafted,
ingenious code outside a few literate programmers, let alone users of
software made out of such code. Programmers work at the
backstage... :P
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