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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Markus E L
Date: Nov 3, 2007 03:50

Jon Harrop wrote:
> The recent productization of F# by Microsoft has caused a growth spurt in
> the CAML family of functional programming languages:
>
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=common+lisp%%2Cocaml%%2Cf%%23
>
> Common Lisp is a good comparison because it is in slow but steady decline.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why don't you use Cobol then? BTW, the method is questionable: I see
quite the same "decline" in another number of languages (which might
just indicate a trend away from source (like usenet) which Google can
analyze efficiently). I seriously doubt thet Google trends means much
and if it does, we don't know what exactly.

Regards -- Markus
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Markus E L
Date: Nov 3, 2007 06:35

Markus E L wrote:
>> Common Lisp is a good comparison because it is in slow but steady decline.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Why don't you use Cobol then? BTW, the method is questionable: I see

Please ignore me :-). I just noticed that I probably transplanted this
thread from c.l.l to c.l.f. Since I don't post on c.l.l I can't very
well give an answer and certainly not at c.l.f which (I think) should
not be abused to wage wars that cannot be waged in c.l.l.

So, em, sorry.

Regards -- Markus
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Ken Tilton
Date: Nov 3, 2007 08:40

Markus E L wrote:
> Markus E L wrote:
>
>
>>>Common Lisp is a good comparison because it is in slow but steady decline.
>>
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Why don't you use Cobol then? BTW, the method is questionable: I see
>
>
>
> Please ignore me :-). I just noticed that I probably transplanted this
> thread from c.l.l to c.l.f. Since I don't post on c.l.l I can't very
> well give an answer and certainly not at c.l.f which (I think) should
> not be abused to wage wars that cannot be waged in c.l.l.
>
> So, em, sorry.
>
> Regards -- Markus ...
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Markus E L
Date: Nov 3, 2007 13:06

Ken Tilton wrote:
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Ulf Wiger
Date: Nov 5, 2007 05:33

Ken Tilton wrote:
>
> Damn! I was going to try to persuade Markus at least to admit that he
> was a dork for defending himself from having glowed on the frog when in
> fact as damien just quoted it was Ulf who defended amphibios as
> productive and fascinating when the best comp.langs around are rife with
> traffic trying to stomp out this vermin. c.l.lisp, c.l.c++... even an
> msn c## group reveals people putting up frog traps to rid themselves of
> Dr. Jon Harrop.

I wrote:

"I have no quarrel with Jon, and people for whom I have the
highest regard have praised some of his work. That goes
a fair way in my book"

In your book, that may be a glowing testimonial...
Personally, I prefer to be judged on exactly what I write.
Every single word in that sentence was chosen with care.
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Ken Tilton
Date: Nov 5, 2007 08:57

Ulf Wiger wrote:
> Ken Tilton wrote:
>
>>
>> Damn! I was going to try to persuade Markus at least to admit that he
>> was a dork for defending himself from having glowed on the frog when
>> in fact as damien just quoted it was Ulf who defended amphibios as
>> productive and fascinating when the best comp.langs around are rife
>> with traffic trying to stomp out this vermin. c.l.lisp, c.l.c++...
>> even an msn c## group reveals people putting up frog traps to rid
>> themselves of Dr. Jon Harrop.
>
>
> I wrote:
>
> "I have no quarrel with Jon, and people for whom I have the
> highest regard have praised some of his work. That goes
> a fair way in my book"
>
> In your book, that may be a glowing testimonial... ...
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Ken Tilton
Date: Nov 6, 2007 03:09

Ulf Wiger wrote:
>
> (After this, I will not respond to anymore follow-ups in this
> thread.)
>
> Ken Tilton wrote:
>
>>
>> Jon is a pest here and on other groups, and you supported him.
>
>
> It's funny how some parts of your posts are completely ignored
> while others are given huge importance, no matter what you do
> to try to correct it.
>
>> You were the one who responded to my joking "how did you get rid
>> of him" with "why would we want to get rid of him?",
>> said he was fine, repeating the praise even more strongly above.
>
> I allowed myself to be provoked by your willfully insulting ...
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Markus E L
Date: Nov 5, 2007 06:41

Ulf Wiger wrote:
> Ken Tilton wrote:
>> Damn! I was going to try to persuade Markus at least to admit that
>> he was a dork for defending himself from having glowed on the frog
>> when in fact as damien just quoted it...
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Markus E L
Date: Nov 6, 2007 04:08

Ken Tilton wrote:
> The only reason I got involved is because Jon is driving so many
> /other/ c.l.l denizens to distraction with his deliberately irritating

Yes, yes, I completely understand that, you're so right, somebody
needs to take the part of blockwart in c.l.l and protect the common
lisp citizen ... -- uh wait, this is c.l.f, isn't it? One wonders: How
did this thread escape to c.l.f? The usenet seems to be full of
miracles. And what does that make your machinations, one starts to
wonder, too.

- M

PS: Obviously didn't plonk you deep enough. No trouble, that can be
fixed in almost no time.
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Re: Growth of the CAML family of languages         


Author: Don Geddis
Date: Nov 6, 2007 09:31

Ulf Wiger e-r-i-c-s-s-o-n.com> wrote on Tue, 06 Nov 2007:
> If you want to say something about another person, you either say it with
> respect, or address that person directly.

This approach was attempted numerous times to the amphibian in question,
all with absolutely no results. Not even acknowledgement.

At first glance, postings from the swamp appear reasonable. But long
experience has shown c.l.l that there is no interest in truth from the
mud and muck, only propaganda and advertising. Hence: spammer.

Which is all the more frustrating when people like you attempt to take the
"reasonable" tone of assuming the best intentions, instead of the worst.
We've been through that path before. It doesn't end well (for us).

-- Don
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