Can I ask that you guy discuss this somewhere else. I find it very
common that when I start a thread in C.L.F it often gets hijacked to
discuss something of a personal nature and not on topic.
I understand how discussions migrate as they evolve, but this is going
to make it very hard for me to find with wheat in the chaff (if there
is any).
How about starting a new thread to discuss single chip MCUs?
Rick
On Jul 21, 5:41 am, "Rod Pemberton" wrote:
>>>Is this a one-time FPGA cpu? I.e., do you have hopes of
>>>commercial success? Against x86 and/or ARM? No offense
>>>to FORTHers here, but IMO FORTH oriented cpu's haven't
>>>had much market success... ever.
>
>> Ho hum, another Usenet poster bloviating about which CPUs
>> have the most commercial success while mentioning only
>> bit players who have a tiny share of the total market.
>
> What era? And, which market? The 6502 was a large commercial success
> during it's era. It was the cheapest and most powerful chip of it's time.
> The x86 is a large continuing commercial success in the PC market with
> 95-99%% market share per year. The ARM (and someone else had to update me on
> this fairly recently...) is a very large commercial success in the embedded
> market (cellphones, PDA's, etc.).
>
>> x86, ARM, PIC, and even the mighty 8051 are niche products
>> compared to microcontrollers made by by GeneralPlus/SunPlus,
>> Elan/EMC, WinBond, Sonix, etc. This is an entire world
>> that is invisible to you unless you are a designer of
>> talking Barbie dolls, computer mice, or musical greeting
>> cards. In this world, nearly 100%% of the software is
>> written in highly optimized assembly language with Forth
>> -- and AFAICT only Forth -- making some small inroads.
>
> Well, WinBond says their ISDxxxx chips should be programmed in assembly or
> C. So, FORTH is an implementors choice, but these 4-bit microcontrollers
> don't run FORTH _natively_ anyway... They're not a FORTH microcontroller.
>
> As for volume, you'll have to post links... I don't think your year and
> half stint at Mattel eight years ago can provide relevant market data for
> today. I don't doubt the musical card, or talking Barbies are decent
> numbers. But, I know that while cards may be large numbers, very few cards
> are musical cards today. Anyway, if there is public info on their volume, I
> didn't find it...
>
>
http://www.arm.com/news/19720.htmlhttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070802231958...
>
> Rod Pemberton
