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Author: Marcel HendrixMarcel Hendrix Date: Aug 20, 2007 14:36
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Author: Jean-François MichaudJean-François Michaud Date: Aug 20, 2007 17:25
On Aug 20, 2:36 pm, m...@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) wrote:
Hahaha, what a breakthrough in multicore technology!
Regards
Jean-Francois Michaud
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Author: John PassanitiJohn Passaniti Date: Aug 20, 2007 21:09
Jean-François Michaud wrote:
> Hahaha, what a breakthrough in multicore technology!
Feel free to explain your comment.
According to the article, they are SHIPPING a 64-core processor. And if
nothing else, THAT alone is perhaps the most significant part of the
article. I just checked the IntellaSys site to see if there was any
news about them shipping, and the only changes I see are that there is
now a Upstate New York manufacturer's representative (which means I
might finally be able to get some real information) and that Jeff Fox's
name no longer appears where it did under "About."
Mentioned also is that the design of the TILE64 is based on work dating
back 10 years and is based on a VLIW design.
Regardless, the architecture they describe is completely different, far
more regular, and it has some really compelling hardware support built
in (two DDR2 controllers, two 10 gigabit Ethernet ports, two four-lane
PCIe interfaces). There isn't much detail on the individual processors,
but it looks like it can /directly/ address far more memory than the
IntellaSys chips.
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Author: Jerry AvinsJerry Avins Date: Aug 20, 2007 21:35
John Passaniti wrote:
> Jean-Fran�ois Michaud wrote:
>> Hahaha, what a breakthrough in multicore technology!
>
> Feel free to explain your comment.
>
> According to the article, they are SHIPPING a 64-core processor. And if
> nothing else, THAT alone is perhaps the most significant part of the
> article. I just checked the IntellaSys site to see if there was any
> news about them shipping, and the only changes I see are that there is
> now a Upstate New York manufacturer's representative (which means I
> might finally be able to get some real information) and that Jeff Fox's
> name no longer appears where it did under "About."
>
> Mentioned also is that the design of the TILE64 is based on work dating
> back 10 years and is based on a VLIW design.
>
> Regardless, the architecture they describe is completely different, far
> more regular, and it has some really compelling hardware support built
> in (two DDR2 controllers, two 10 gigabit Ethernet ports, two four-lane ...
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Author: John PassanitiJohn Passaniti Date: Aug 20, 2007 23:06
Jerry Avins wrote:
> The page is up now, but when I first tried to look, I got the message
> "The requested page is not available." Perhaps Jean-Francois saw the
> same message.
Wow, that's an amazingly generous interpretation.
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Author: Marcel HendrixMarcel Hendrix Date: Aug 21, 2007 11:40
John Passaniti JapanIsShinto.com> writes Re: Sounds familiar
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> Regardless, the architecture they describe is completely different, far
> more regular, and it has some really compelling hardware support built
> in (two DDR2 controllers, two 10 gigabit Ethernet ports, two four-lane
> PCIe interfaces). There isn't much detail on the individual processors,
> but it looks like it can /directly/ address far more memory than the
[..]
Now *this* is a chip I would have fun designing a new Forth for to scorch
the paint of the walls with!
The chip itself costs $435, which is not much, given the spec. However,
for a development system one probably needs to add a couple of zeros on
the wrong side of the decimal point.
-marcel
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Author: Brad EckertBrad Eckert Date: Aug 21, 2007 12:40
> There isn't much detail on the individual processors,
> but it looks like it can /directly/ address far more
> memory than the IntellaSys chips.
Yes, each core has a 64K L2 cache and a mechanism to share caches of
other cores before resorting to off-chip access. You could run a lot
of Forth in 64K without ever having to go off-chip.
I think the trend with these sea-of-processors chips is for memory to
become more valuable as off-chip access becomes a bottleneck. The
cache sharing thing lets a core run bloatware at the expense of other
cores.
In other words, compactness pays because you can have more CPU cores
doing useful work given a fixed amount of on-chip memory. It's nice to
see trends favor Forth for a change.
Brad
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Author: Bernd PaysanBernd Paysan Date: Aug 22, 2007 00:46
Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> The chip itself costs $435, which is not much, given the spec. However,
> for a development system one probably needs to add a couple of zeros on
> the wrong side of the decimal point.
I can't see why. All you need is a board with interconnections for the
interfaces and power supply, and that's it. Add some RAM, a hard disk
controller and a graphics card, and ready is your 64 core PC booting Linux
(they say they have a Linux port for it ready).
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Author: Bernd PaysanBernd Paysan Date: Aug 22, 2007 08:08
Jean-François Michaud wrote:
> Nothing really new in my mind here. Peers to the sea-of-processors
> architecture are roaming around. The technology is simply being pushed
> through the envelope as I was discussing in another post and many
> variants are surfacing albeit much faster than I thought it would.
> There didn't seem to be mention of a facility to connect TILE64
> processors together as for the Intelasys processors on the other hand.
> Of course it's always possible to do so, but there didn't seemed to be
> easing facilities as in the case of the Intalasys processor. Maybe I
> missed an important piece of information?
Well, they probably think that 2 10GB Ethernet interfaces are sufficient to
build a cluster of these processors - no need to have a more direct
connection interface. Any off-chip communication is way more bulky than the
on-chip communication, anyway, and the price level is high enough to afford
a switch for clustering several chips together (it's not a $20 chip, it's a
$400+ chip).
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