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MindForth 20.JAN.2008         


Author: mentifex
Date: Jan 21, 2008 04:49

The MindForth AI-Complete milestone is near as we
troubleshoot one bug after another in the free AI
source code written in the Win32Forth programming
language. Our JavaScript Mind.html Tutorial AI
lags far behind as we race to the finish line.

Most recently we solved a mystifying bug that was
causing the AI to ask unnecessary questions about
things that it already knew. It turned out that
activation from deep concepts was not passing
properly upwards to the shallow English lexicon
during the generation of a sentence of thought,
with the result that the AI Mind was rejecting
and detouring away from the thinking of verbs
that were not sufficiently activated to be valid
components of a meandering chain of thought.
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008         


Author: Frank
Date: Jan 23, 2008 04:06

ATM, Just some observations: I of course find the same issues you
are having, but on a different scale. The 1K mind core you are
working on rejuvenates rapidly and regularly, wait till you pump the
core up in size, the problems, stray activations, rise as well. I am
working from a 10K core that does not rejuvenate as regularly, I did
notice in the Think module you state, examine recent psi nodes for
activations and if found go into English. Well with 1K core
rejuvenating frequently recent has a differen meaning then a 10K
core. So I had to modify my examination from looking at the entire
core to literally just a fraction to include the recent activities.
Doing this reduced the stray activation and unrelated thoughts
generated.
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008         


Author: John Passaniti
Date: Jan 23, 2008 08:41

Frank wrote:
> An aside, I often have thought about how you go about training an AI
> mind. So I put together input that keeps the AI asking what, always a
> new concept entered by me. Of course once I repeat concepts it no
> longer ask what. After entering 50-60 sentences I then ask the mind
> questions, who are you, who am I, what is a dog, what does cat eat...
> all question based on the previous sentences I entered and the AI
> responded with single answers all in line with what I asked. Actually
> it surprised the mess out of me. Next I'll attempt to ask a quesion
> that does not have a direct answer in the core to see how it is
> handled. I was so surprized at the results I just kept asking
> questions I knew there should be answers to.

This has to be a joke.

Arthur comes up with a system that basically is the most indirect, most
obscure, and least capable of the classic "Travesty" algorithm. You
then feed it text, and are surprised that it repeated that text back at
you? May I suggest you stay away from a tape recorder? Hearing not
only your own words-- BUT IN YOUR OWN VOICE-- is likely to so overwhelm
you that medical intervention may be required.
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008         


Author: mentifex
Date: Jan 23, 2008 21:18

Frank wrote:
> ATM, Just some observations: I of course find the same issues you
> are having, but on a different scale. The 1K mind core you are
> working on rejuvenates rapidly and regularly, wait till you pump the
> core up in size, the problems, stray activations, rise as well.

FJR, you mention the "cns" core size most opportunely,
because with my "AI-Complete" uploads of yesterday
(22.JAN.2008) for the first time I am ready to start
doubling the mind-core size of MindForth in the near
future. Previously I felt no need to have a large mind-core
because I could work on everything I needed to in 1K.
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008         


Author: cadcoke4
Date: Jan 24, 2008 00:20

Just letting people know that because of the sporge attack on the
usenet comp.robotics.misc newsgroup, messages like this quickly get
burried. Because of this, Gordon McComb set up a web based discussion
group as an alternative place to discuss robotics.

I know there are benefits to usenet. Particularly because the news
readers allow you to consolidate all the groups you subscribe to in
one place. But, until this sporge attack is stopped, I don't think
there is really a choice.

Here is Gordon's discussion site;
http://robotpalace.com/forum/index.php

Joe Dunfee
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008         


Author: mentifex
Date: Jan 24, 2008 06:28

cadco...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Just letting people know that because of the sporge attack
> on the usenet comp.robotics.misc newsgroup, messages
> like this quickly get burried. Because of this,
> Gordon McComb set up a web based discussion
> group as an alternative place to discuss robotics.
> [...]
>
> Here is Gordon's discussion site;
> http://robotpalace.com/forum/index.php
>
> Joe Dunfee
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008 - "out of the box" - Postings....         


Author: news.la.sbcglobal.net
Date: Feb 2, 2008 06:32

I would encourage anyone working on "out of the box" ideas like MindForth to
continue on. I have't looked into the technical aspects of this particuliar
algorithm involving your AI experimentation, but I would encourage your
posts to this newsgroup. MindForth kinda sounds like a Turing Machine on
the surface, I would like to hear from you how it is different.

I developed the Three Tiered Behavioral Archetecture I call The Triune OS
for robotics - most autonomous robots today use the general idea behind this
concept including JPL, and the DARPA Grand Challenge robots.

I encourage you to keep researching and posting to this newsgroup - I read
your posts!

Don
AI Engineering

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> Frank wrote:
>> ATM, Just some observations: I of course find the same issues you...
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Re: MindForth 20.JAN.2008 - "out of the box" - Postings....         


Author: mentifex
Date: Feb 2, 2008 07:21

> I would encourage anyone working on "out of the box" ideas like MindForth to
> continue on. I have't looked into the technical aspects of this particuliar
> algorithm involving your AI experimentation, but I would encourage your
> posts to this newsgroup. MindForth kinda sounds like a Turing Machine on
> the surface, I would like to hear from you how it is different.

MindForth is not a rigidly-defined entity like a Turing Machine,
but rather just a software implementation of "spreading activation"
among deep concepts giving rise to linguistic thought. See
http://mind.sourceforge.net/mind4th.html or
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/mind4th.html for Free AI Download.
>
> I developed the Three Tiered Behavioral Archetecture I call The Triune OS
> for robotics - most autonomous robots today use the general idea behind this
> concept including JPL, and the DARPA Grand Challenge robots.

A "Triune Operating System" for robotics -- makes one wonder
what the three-in-one parts of it are.
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