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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Nov 23, 2007 05:42
Pete Dashwood wrote:
> They just ran a news item here mentioning that the US is preparing to
> celebrate Thanksgiving.
>
> Greetings to all concerned. Hope you all have much to be thankful for
> and you spend a happy time with families.
>
> They also noted in passing that 800,000 American homeless won't be
> enjoying the turkey.
>
> That is a sad thought, but we have all become pretty inured to the
> lot of those less fortunate. We feel sorry, do what we can where we
> can, but accept that poverty is part of life and an "insoluble"
> problem.
> The thing that astonished me was that 25%% of these homeless are War
> Veterans. (Korea, Viet Nam, and Afghanistan and the Gulf)
>
> Surely there must be programs to prevent servicepeople from just being
> thrown on the scrapheap? We wouildn't want to do that with ANYONE, but
> especially not those who have rendered service to their country and ...
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Author: tlmfrutlmfru Date: Nov 23, 2007 11:36
> Pete Dashwood wrote:
>> They just ran a news item here mentioning that the US is preparing to
>> celebrate Thanksgiving.
>>
>> Greetings to all concerned. Hope you all have much to be thankful for
>> and you spend a happy time with families.
>>
>> They also noted in passing that 800,000 American homeless won't be
>> enjoying the turkey.
>>
Assuming you, Heybub, are a US citizen:
Americans at their best are wonderful, generous people who'll do anything to
help their friends, and to a certain extent even their enemies. But the
average American is ingorant, agressive, and parochial. At their worst,
they are capable of most intense bigotry. You, sir, are not an example of
the best of Americans.
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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Nov 23, 2007 12:34
tlmfru wrote:
>> Pete Dashwood wrote:
>>> They just ran a news item here mentioning that the US is preparing
>>> to celebrate Thanksgiving.
>>>
>>> Greetings to all concerned. Hope you all have much to be thankful
>>> for and you spend a happy time with families.
>>>
>>> They also noted in passing that 800,000 American homeless won't be
>>> enjoying the turkey.
>>>
>
> Assuming you, Heybub, are a US citizen:
>
> Americans at their best are wonderful, generous people who'll do
> anything to help their friends, and to a certain extent even their
> enemies. But the average American is ingorant, agressive, and
> parochial. At their worst, they are capable of most intense bigotry. ...
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Author: Louis KruppLouis Krupp Date: Nov 23, 2007 14:09
HeyBub wrote:
> "We take it, then, that Democrats are all paranoics and/or
> manic-depressives?"
>
> I said "paranoics, manic-depressives, AND Democrats..." It was a JOKE, son.
> As for interacting with the homeless, I've worked with and talked to
> possibly thousands more than you - I spent 8 years as a deputy sheriff.
In no particular order:
I suspect that a lot of homeless people don't have frequent contact with
law enforcement; you *may* have been dealing with a small and not
necessarily representative sample.
As to your comment about paranoiacs, manic-depressives, and Democrats, I
am a registered Democrat. I have worked with Democrats, lived with
Democrats, and, in more interesting times, slept with Democrats. There
have been occasions when I would say that in lumping Democrats with the
clinically insane, you do the insane a disservice.
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Author: Pete DashwoodPete Dashwood Date: Nov 23, 2007 15:44
> Pete Dashwood wrote:
>> They just ran a news item here mentioning that the US is preparing to
>> celebrate Thanksgiving.
>>
>> Greetings to all concerned. Hope you all have much to be thankful for
>> and you spend a happy time with families.
>>
>> They also noted in passing that 800,000 American homeless won't be
>> enjoying the turkey.
>>
>> That is a sad thought, but we have all become pretty inured to the
>> lot of those less fortunate. We feel sorry, do what we can where we
>> can, but accept that poverty is part of life and an "insoluble"
>> problem.
>> The thing that astonished me was that 25%% of these homeless are War
>> Veterans. (Korea, Viet Nam, and Afghanistan and the Gulf)
>>
>> Surely there must be programs to prevent servicepeople from just being ...
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Author: Pete DashwoodPete Dashwood Date: Nov 23, 2007 15:56
"tlmfru" mts.net> wrote in message
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>> Pete Dashwood wrote:
>>> They just ran a news item here mentioning that the US is preparing to
>>> celebrate Thanksgiving.
>>>
>>> Greetings to all concerned. Hope you all have much to be thankful for
>>> and you spend a happy time with families.
>>>
>>> They also noted in passing that 800,000 American homeless won't be
>>> enjoying the turkey.
>>>
>
> Assuming you, Heybub, are a US citizen:
>
> Americans at their best are wonderful, generous people who'll do anything
> to ...
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Author: Pete DashwoodPete Dashwood Date: Nov 23, 2007 16:00
"Louis Krupp" pssw.nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> HeyBub wrote:
>
>
>> "We take it, then, that Democrats are all paranoics and/or
>> manic-depressives?"
>>
>> I said "paranoics, manic-depressives, AND Democrats..." It was a JOKE,
>> son.
>
>
>
>> As for interacting with the homeless, I've worked with and talked to
>> possibly thousands more than you - I spent 8 years as a deputy sheriff.
>
>
>
> In no particular order:
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Author: ()() Date: Nov 24, 2007 04:21
>Pete Dashwood wrote:
>> They just ran a news item here mentioning that the US is preparing to
>> celebrate Thanksgiving.
>>
>> Greetings to all concerned. Hope you all have much to be thankful for
>> and you spend a happy time with families.
>>
>> They also noted in passing that 800,000 American homeless won't be
>> enjoying the turkey.
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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Nov 24, 2007 07:10
Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
> Hmmmm.... let me see if I have this right...
>
> 1. Someone commits an anti-social act. (felony)
> 2. The society then disenfranchises him/her because they are not
> considered fit to be part of society?
>
> Doesn't that simply alienate them further and make the chance of
> rehabilitation that much less?
Sure. But there's the bigger view.
There are, classically, three reasons for punishment:
1. To protect society from further depradations by the miscreant,
2. To rehabilitate the offender, and
3. To serve as a deterrent to others similiarily inclined.
(note "retribution" is not on the "approved" list)
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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Nov 24, 2007 07:16
>>
>> Most systemic problems in America can be traced to an up-stream
>> liberal program that failed.
>>
>> In the case at hand, the institutionalization of the mentally
>> disturbed was challenged on the grounds that many were not a hazard
>> to themselves or to society and, therefore, should not be placed in
>> supervised facilities. The insane asylums were emptied.
>
> The defunding of mental health institututions is a matter of public
> record and easily researched.
>
> To call the requirement that a person be shown to be a danger to
> themselves or others in order to be involuntarily committed
> 'traceable to a failed liberal program' is the result of some
> rather... curious thinking, probably of a freedom-hating 'We Know
> What's Best For You' sort, and most...
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