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Mac Basic Development Environments Reviewed         


Author: Math1723
Date: Apr 1, 2008 19:05

This month's MacCompanion has a comparison of several Macintosh-based
BASIC development environments, including REALbasic, FutureBASIC,
KBasic, Objective-Basic, PureBasic, Chipmunk Basic and True BASIC:

http://www.maccompanion.com/macc/archives/April2008/Columns/AccordingtoHoyle.htm

I'm very well acquainted with REALbasic, and I have no strong need to
change. However, of the ones listed, KBasic seems the most intriguing
to me. Has anyone tried KBasic, or have a recommendation on one of
the others I should consider?
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Re: Mac Basic Development Environments Reviewed         


Author: Auric__
Date: Apr 2, 2008 08:51

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:05:08 GMT, Math1723 wrote:
> This month's MacCompanion has a comparison of several
> Macintosh-based BASIC development environments, including
> REALbasic, FutureBASIC, KBasic, Objective-Basic, PureBasic,
> Chipmunk Basic and True BASIC:
>
> http://www.maccompanion.com/macc/archives/April2008/Columns/Accordin
> gtoHoyle.htm
>
> I'm very well acquainted with REALbasic, and I have no strong need
> to change. However, of the ones listed, KBasic seems the most
> intriguing to me. Has anyone tried KBasic, or have a
> recommendation on one of the others I should consider?

I've played with Kbasic on Windows and Linux, and it's... well, I
don't like it. It just rubs me wrong. As far as Macs are concerned, my
only Mac is a 68k machine; I can't even run OS9 let alone anything
even remotely modern. (It's got 7.something.)
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Re: Mac Basic Development Environments Reviewed         


Author: Math1723
Date: Apr 2, 2008 09:21

On Apr 2, 11:51 am, "Auric__" wrote:
>
> I've played with Kbasic on Windows and Linux, and it's... well, I
> don't like it. It just rubs me wrong. As far as Macs are concerned,
> my only Mac is a 68k machine; I can't even run OS9 let alone
> anything even remotely modern. (It's got 7.something.)

My only concern about KBasic is that it is built with Qt. Qt seems
powerful enough, but I haven't always had great experiences with cross-
platform apps built with it.
> Out of what you listed above, I've played with or used a few.
> - REALbasic: Nice, but you already know that, right? What I'd use for
> Mac development, although I still use v5.5 (meaning no Intel Mac
> support for me).

Yeah, I have Pro 5.5 as well and haven't upgraded. At first I didn't
because they changed to a Microsoft-like all-in-one interface and
there was no universal binary support. By the time they remedied
these flaws, they significantly increased the price tag of the
product, so I just haven't been motivated to make the switch.
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Re: Mac Basic Development Environments Reviewed         


Author: Auric__
Date: Apr 2, 2008 11:32

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:21:49 GMT, Math1723 wrote:
> On Apr 2, 11:51 am, "Auric__" wrote:
>
>> I've played with Kbasic on Windows and Linux, and it's... well, I
>> don't like it. It just rubs me wrong. As far as Macs are
>> concerned, my only Mac is a 68k machine; I can't even run OS9 let
>> alone anything even remotely modern. (It's got 7.something.)
>
> My only concern about KBasic is that it is built with Qt. Qt seems
> powerful enough, but I haven't always had great experiences with
> cross- platform apps built with it.

Qt seems okay to me. KDE is built on top of Qt. Opera (web browser)
uses Qt under Linux (and possibly other *nix systems) without problem.
Qt has a Windows version that presumable works (but I've never tried).
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Re: Mac Basic Development Environments Reviewed         


Author: R.Nicholson
Date: Apr 2, 2008 12:21

On Apr 2, 8:21 am, Math1723 aol.com> wrote:
>> - Chipmunk: I like this one, but it's interpreted. Handy for open-
>> source projects and lots of other stuff, but if you don't want your
>> source visible to everyone then keep going.
>
> Does this one require line numbers in the source?

Not if you use an external text editor, such as TextEdit,
TextWrangler, or even vi (or vim) from the Terminal.

Chipmunk Basic: http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic

--
rhn A.T nicholson d.0.t C-o-M
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Re: Mac Basic Development Environments Reviewed Updated         


Author: Math1723
Date: May 9, 2008 15:27

On Apr 1, 10:05 pm, Math1723 aol.com> wrote:
> This month's MacCompanion has a comparison of several
> Macintosh-based BASIC development environments, including REALbasic,
> FutureBASIC, KBasic, Objective-Basic, PureBasic, Chipmunk Basic and
> True BASIC:
>
>http://www.maccompanion.com/macc/archives/April2008/Columns/AccordingtoHoyle.htm

This month's MacCompanion has a follow-up on this article which puts
things more into perspective:

http://www.maccompanion.com/macc/archives/May2008/Columns/AccordingtoHoyle.htm

Essentially, KBasic which seemed too good to be true, turned out not
to be so good. Unless you're doing GPL, KBasic will cost you
thousands of dollars in Qt royalty fees. The web site does a good job
of hiding this, I guess relying on the old bait-and-switch
method. :-/

Objective-Basic still seems interesting, but it's made by the same
guys who make KBasic, and I have to say I am a lot less trusting of
them now.
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