"I disagree with Jon on a few things and even push his buttons from
time to time but Jon works as a machinist, Cliff on the other hand
knows nothing about programming, setting up or operating a CNC. Not
even sure Cliff knows what a CNC looks like.

Cliff has demonstrated his CAD knowledge is dated and from his posts
I
don't think he has ever actually used a CAM product."

The way I read it Pete wants to remove the programming from his best
machinist and try and do it himself. With his inability to figure out
who Cliffy really is good fucking luck.

Sounds like Pete's machinist is using Hurco's Ultimax or Winmax
(probably with the DXF converter) to create toolpath at the machines.

http://www.hurco.com/Hurco/HSEA/Products/Controls/

I know you hate machinists programming at the machine but it's often a
good idea if you have a programming backlog. Of course in your ideal
world, Tom this never happens. ;>)

I suspect Pete can't machine his way out of a paper bag and wants to
cut his reliance on his top man.

Stupid, very stupid.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:42:59 -0700, jon_banquer
yahoo.com> wrote:

That's not what I read, did I miss a post?

He said his guy on the floor programs at the machine (Hurco) and
doesn't have much experience with offline CAM. He was looking for
advise on purchasing a CAM system. he didn't say anything about taking
the programming away from his guy and doing it himself.

I don't hate programming at the machines, IMO it's just not cost
effective in most situations.

If he's not a machinist how is he going to be able to evaluate a CAM
package? My bet is that he's sending a .dxf files out of SolidWorks
to the Hurco and his machinist is creating the program at the machine
with Ultimax or Winmax. Is his machinist capable / interested in
learning Solidworks? Is he going to hire someone new? What's the
budget? Would a stand alone CADCAM program be better than one that
runs inside of SolidWorks because of lower initial cost and it being
easier for his machinist ? Perhaps he needs a system like Gibbs?

One thing is for sure, until Pete posts some real information I'm not
willing to autograph a copy of my interview for him. ;>) Franco Folini
probably will but that ain't worth much compared to the real thing.

Jon Banquer
http://blog.novedge.com/2007/07/an-interview-wi.html

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:58:54 -0700, jon_banquer
yahoo.com> wrote:

By asking for advise.

If so it seems logical he would want a CAM program to run within
SolidWorks to generate G-Code.

You can ask but why would you care?
It shouldn't have any bearing on your recommendations.

Again you can ask but why would you care? It should have no bearing on
our recommendations that I can see.

Thanks Tom,

Well here goes ignoring everyone else,

No, I am not a machinist, never was and never want to be.
I use Solidworks office pro in an office , nice and clean :-)

The machines we use, are old apart from one, lol

Harrison Alpha 550 plus Lathe with a Fanuc controller
Bridgeport series II sing Heidenhain controller
Mazak quickturn Lathe using mazatrol T-1
Euromac cx1000/30
Gate eclipse vmc 610 using anilam 6000M

Basically I want a do it button, lol

Draw in Solidworks- down load to machine, A skilled and trained machinist to
load the job and tooling, after which he/she presses a button, job done.

Too simple I know, lol

But hey, I can dream!

"A skilled and trained machinist to load the job and tooling, after
which he/she presses a button, job done."

ROTFLMFAO.

A skilled and trained machinist just loads the program and the tooling
and presses the button. When you got them CNC machines that's all you
need to do! This guy is beyond clueless and will stay clueless. He
needs to take his advise from Cliffy. Just like Cliffy he actually
thinks machinists are just operators who load tools and press the
button.

Once again SVL proves he can spot a complete idiot in a one or two
posts. When you think about how fast SVL can size them up it's fucking
scary. I think he provides alt.machines.cnc a service with his weed em
out approach.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://blog.novedge.com/2007/07/an-interview-wi.html

Jon,
I thought it requires skill to load the job and tooling and to check that
the program is correct?

Which is WHY I said, " A skilled and trained machinist to load the job and
tooling, after which he/she presses a button, job done.

Which is very different, to what you incorrectly quoted me, as saying.

Also if you had read my post properly, you would have noticed that I was
asking Tom, not Cliff for some information.

I was being simplistic in the flow of work, Maybe I should have put at the
beginning, " "I press a couple of buttons, wiggle the mouse a bit and hey
presto a part is drawn.

I think you need to think, before you get upset and then try to understand,
what the request is.

Getting personal, shows the lack of, education and maturity.

The saying,"get over yourself ", is rather fitting here.

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:31:22 +0100, "pete" f2s.com> wrote:

You are still top-posting.

How so?
What are you trying to do & how & what did you expect to be
able to do how?
Is this your first CAD?

It does seem to sell fairly well as a history-based constrained
parametric (not CAD/CAM) solids modeler CAD package.

I wonder why.

Are you the firm's owner then?

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:24:24 -0700, brewertr@aol.com wrote:

This will not be as good as a post from jb but he's trying .

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:37:42 +0100, "pete" f2s.com> wrote:

Just one?

Just two specific machines? One Hurco and one ?

Other than the Hurco what software?

What else has he worked with in the past elsewhere?

Best to consider what might best please everyone to begin with ..
just consider .