On Jan 31, 7:12 am, "Kurt Schu...@orion.com" rogers.com>
wrote:

Utter nonsense. Left and right didn't even exist in De Sade's era, and
I've met plenty of S&M rightists. A group of right wing, Christian S&M
nuts tried to cyberstalk me years ago to stop me from exposing
rightist hypocrisy. Naturally, they failed.

McVeigh is ~rightist~, you ignoramus.

"McVeigh read many extreme right-wing publications, including the
Turner Diaries, a novel written by a Neo-Nazi named William Pierce
(writing under the alias "Andrew Macdonald"), which is full of violent
racist and anti-Semitic fantasies. In the book, the main character,
Turner, heads a group which explodes a rented truck at FBI
headquarters. McVeigh's actions on April 19, 1995 makes the Turner
Diaries into a blue print for his plans.

With his mind full of politicized hate, McVeigh drove a rented Ryder
truck full of a fertilizer-based explosive toward the Alfred P. Murrah
Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. In the subsequent blast,
168 people died, and hundreds more (at least 800), recieved wounds.

As he fled the scene of the bombing, Oklahoma Highway Patrolman
Charles Hanger pulled McVeigh over and arrested him for driving
without a license and carrying a concealed weapon. Within days, the
connection was made between McVeigh and the man seen running from the
Ryder truck prior to the bombing. He was convicted in federal court on
June 2, 1997 for the murder of eight federal agents. McVeigh was
executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001 at the federal prison in
Terre Haute, Indiana.

Timothy McVeigh represented a culmination of the growth and potential
terror of right-wing groups such as the Aryan Nations, The Order, and
other racist, anti-Semitic anti-government groups commonly lumped
together under the heading "The Militia Movement." The ideas and
events which helped radicalize McVeigh; the talk of a "New World
Order," the Turner Diaries, the Ruby Ridge incident, the Waco Siege,
and other supposed improprieties by the American government, also
radicalized others, who, to this point, have not turned their beliefs
into mass murder. The advent of the War on Terror, and the September
11th attacks have taken the public's attention away from the right-
wing militia groups, but the potential for more Oklahoma City-style
attacks still exists."

http://www.historyguy.com/biofiles/mcveigh_timothy.html

Chavez is an extremist, totalitarian Marxist. He is not a democratic
socialist or a liberal.

The one accurate statement in your post.

What is you evidence to support this claim? Anybody who is liable to
be influenced by the actions of porn kings is so weak-minded that such
results are inevitable regardless.
Is it your claim that conservatives are never promiscuous? You have to
know I can prove that unmitigated bullshit.
Here's a list of Republican perverts;

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling
a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded
guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a
bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. we're just getting
started, kids.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for attempted rape of a juvenile.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence
in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a minor working as
a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with a 16 year
old when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug
LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-
year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to
exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six
counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-
year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16
(i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged
with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30
months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate
Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of
soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in
prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation"
Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced
to six years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and
several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past
decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of
young women.

Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13
years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for
eight-year period starting when they were 9.

Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion
of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to
getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her.
[2] Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl.

Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's
Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn
and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money. Fellow
televangelists say he's gay. Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud,
tax evasion, and racketeering.

Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded
guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young
as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in
federal prison and fined $18,000.

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of
his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-
teens.

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a
California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy
and possession of child pornography.

John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations,
corroborated allegations that Mr. BoltonâEURO(tm)s first wife, Christina
Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the
State Department.

Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous
Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted
to a 10-year adulterous affair.

Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley
Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy
with a 13-year old boy.

Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial
rapist who murdered 16 women.

Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part
to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional
seat, then left his wife (and mother of his five children), married a
staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll with a salary of
$97,500.

John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of
sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls
that he ran.

Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a
child by another woman.

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal
complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who later
committed suicide. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted
in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush
that had ended in 1999.

John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian
Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his
ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President
and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from
a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.

Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). Admitted to a six-year
adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had
denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review,
but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for
God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.

Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to
sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested
and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met
on the Internet.

Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six.
Received a 100%% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a
minor working as a congressional page. [28]
On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that
censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[29]

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity
Broadcasting Network. Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to
cover up a gay affair.

Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative
Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of
prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a
sentence of 126 years in prison.

Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was
found guilty of child porn charges. [

Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation
molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in
prison.

Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas
Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex
with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age
62 at time of arrest.

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion
columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was
revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and
then encouraged her to abort his child.

Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a
fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp
and a gay prostitute.

Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of
molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of
these crimes, put him on the ballot.

Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to
molesting his two daughters.

Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne
Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still
married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce
while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.[43]

Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for
forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his
City Hall office.

Rudy Giuliani, had an adulterous affair.

Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal
Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay
jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time
fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him.

Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.[49]

Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota
governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he
went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his
daughter, and tried to grope one. [50]

Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's
Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-
after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he
sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.

Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a
"church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-
old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.

Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame
during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping
a child in 2002.

Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by
Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he
supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four
turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a
child.

Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals.
Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had
sex with mules.

Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a
congressional aide he was having an affair with.

Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings,
prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital
affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the
course of which she and her husband were divorced.

Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of
California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child
his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up
to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because
the child was a "slut".

Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County,
Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and
served 14 years in federal prison.

Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he
confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a
gay couple from adopting her.

Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff
to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing
bizaree sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia.

Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee, 30-pill a day drug addict.

Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House
in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.
Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having
sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she
was 13.

Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for
fondling a 17-year-old girl.

Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted
for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl
under the age of 17.

Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in
Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee's Marriage Protection act,
getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having
with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection
Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an
amendment, however, which stated that. Adultery is deemed to be a
threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in
Tennessee

Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded
guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a
bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor

Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout
Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.

Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News,
sued for sexual harrassment by his producer.

Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of
public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him
of sexual harassment.

Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for
distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in
the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being
raped.

John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a
fundamentalist group to cure gays.

Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting
sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute.

John E. Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment
and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has
refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive
hugger."

Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to
resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which
distributed teen sex videos.

Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling
a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife,
while serving as president of , which "emphasizes the importance of
the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the
importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."
Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition,
sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned
her two children. [78][79]

Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois,
pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men.
Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex
with him while others watched.[80]

Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a
conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly
to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair.
His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office.
The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in for falsifying
information in an autopsy report, and suspended in for six years,
ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about
her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we
wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92%% approval
rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage
Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and
kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him
soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host.
Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth
control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage,
admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has
committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married
man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude
photos which are available online.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year
old when he was 28.

John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his
committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate
after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays.
Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and
fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was
caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied
so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter,
Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with
one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children.

Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former
Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found
in his possession. [82] With his political career over, he went to
work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures,
owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz).

Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who
believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation
lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee
member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling
has been married 5 times.

Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of
Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years
younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and
attempting to choke her.

Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.

Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child
prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s.

Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to
find the correct name for it âEURO| this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic
stupidity of men marrying men. âEURO| I've never seen a man in my life I
wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks
at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an
affair with a prostitute.

David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison. ]

Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue,
involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending
former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay;
his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a
miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony
had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned
against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry
himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.

Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah
Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to
Thomas' war chest.

Strom Thurmond, republican senator and racist, raped and
impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid.

Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military
College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian
Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent
Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to
from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed [93], convicted in Virginia for
soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy[94] and on four other counts of
soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. [

Jim Wesr, Spokane Mayor. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old.
Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians
from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies.
Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how
to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that any touching of the
sexual or other intimate parts of a person among teens be
criminalized.

Keith Westmoreland, a state representative (R), was arrested on
seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under
16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly
offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex
on him.

So, are promiscuity and perversion inherent to liberalism, or not?