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Author: wce_2008wce_2008
Date: Jul 23, 2008 02:41
Last CFP (extended): World Congress on Engineering and Computer
Science WCECS 2008
From: International Association of Engineers (IAENG)
WCECS 2008: San Francisco, USA, 22-24 October, 2008
http://www.iaeng.org/WCECS2008
Important Dates:
Draft Paper Submission Deadline (extended): 30 July, 2008
Camera-Ready Papers Due & Registration Deadline (extended): 16 August,
2008
WCECS 2008: San Francisco, USA, 22-24 October, 2008
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Author: John WallJohn Wall
Date: Jul 22, 2008 20:01
There's not a single size fits all answer imho. What is important to
remember is the time lag for radio signals to/from Mars, etc - by the time
a
controller on earth has learnt of a problem, decided on the action to be
taken and sent the appropriate command the unmanned vehicle is probably
lost.
All the best,
John
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Author: Roger SmithRoger Smith
Date: Jul 22, 2008 20:00
> The cost of putting human beings on Mars is astronomical compared to
> unmanned missions. We have also lost a few payloads on Mars. The
> risk and the cost are too high for the expected benefit.
>
> Even the US Military is beginning to use people less and remote
> controlled robots more from the Predator airplane to stationary
> unmanned rocket and artillery platforms.
>
> There is no need to use human beings in space exploration just like
> there was no need for the International Space Station boondoggle.
Astronauts landing on Mars will be able to explore more of the surface in
just a few hours than all of the probes and rovers already sent to Mars
combined. And we need to send people into space for more reasons than just
exploration. We need to push the limits of our technology. Solving
significant problems, such as how to avoid damage from extended exposure
to cosmic rays, will produce technology and medical discoveries that will
have direct applications here on earth.
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Author: Joe NeedhamJoe Needham
Date: Jul 22, 2008 19:58
The cost of putting human beings on Mars is astronomical compared to
unmanned missions. We have also lost a few payloads on Mars. The
risk and the cost are too high for the expected benefit.
Even the US Military is beginning to use people less and remote
controlled robots more from the Predator airplane to stationary
unmanned rocket and artillery platforms.
There is no need to use human beings in space exploration just like
there was no need for the International Space Station boondoggle.
Regards,
Joe Needham
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM, jadebox.com> wrote:
>> I enjoy reading "What's New" and benefit a great deal from it. Even
though
>> I'm not qualified in any science and therefore don't comment...
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Author: Roger SmithRoger Smith
Date: Jul 22, 2008 19:55
> I enjoy reading "What's New" and benefit a great deal from it. Even
though
> I'm not qualified in any science and therefore don't comment on the
> material herein, I have to take exception to your statement quoted
above.
> To ascribe a neurotic (or worse) basis for an opinion is unfair. It's
bad
> logic and bad argument.
Not at all. Pretty much every one of his articles takes a swipe at NASA
without any evidence to back up what he's saying. On other subjects he
makes rational statements to back up what he's saying. But when it comes
to NASA, he just makes snide remarks such as the one I quoted or says
things that are obviously untrue (such as no science having been done on
the ISS).
If he looked at the situation rationally, he'd realize there are real
benefits to continuing manned space exploration. But, on this subject, he
seems to have a blind spot.
-- Roger
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Author: Conrad GellerConrad Geller
Date: Jul 22, 2008 19:53
" Mr. Parks. You seem to have some personal grudge against the concept of
manned space exploration in general and specifically against NASA. Who
did
what to you?"
I enjoy reading "What's New" and benefit a great deal from it. Even though
I'm not qualified in any science and therefore don't comment on the
material
herein, I have to take exception to your statement quoted above. To
ascribe
a neurotic (or worse) basis for an opinion is unfair. It's bad logic and
bad
argument.
Conrad Geller
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Author: Garrison HilliardGarrison Hilliard
Date: Jul 22, 2008 13:27
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:12:55 -0400, you wrote:
>> Mercury, Phoenix found water on Mars. Somebody, anybody, tell me what
>> humans can do in space as well as the robots?
>
>They can do exploration better for one thing. In just a few hours on
Mars,
>humans could explore more of the surface of the planet in more detail
than
>all the previous probes and rovers combined.
>
>Mr. Parks. You seem to have some personal grudge against the concept of
>manned space exploration in general and specifically against NASA. Who
did
>what to you?
>
>-- Roger
Er, Roger, before Bob let's loose on you... it's "Dr. Park" and it's well
known that he's never met a manned space mission he didn't hate.
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Author: Roger SmithRoger Smith
Date: Jul 22, 2008 13:23
> Mercury, Phoenix found water on Mars. Somebody, anybody, tell me what
> humans can do in space as well as the robots?
They can do exploration better for one thing. In just a few hours on
Mars,
humans could explore more of the surface of the planet in more detail than
all the previous probes and rovers combined.
Mr. Parks. You seem to have some personal grudge against the concept of
manned space exploration in general and specifically against NASA. Who
did
what to you?
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Author: Garrison HilliardGarrison Hilliard
Date: Jul 19, 2008 13:46
Water was once widespread on Mars, data from a Nasa spacecraft shows,
raising the prospect that the Red Planet could have supported life.
Researchers found evidence of vast lakes, flowing rivers and deltas on
early Mars, all of which were potential habitats for microbes.
They also discovered that wet conditions probably persisted for a long
time
on the Red Planet.
Details appear in the journals Nature and Nature Geoscience.
One study shows that vast regions of Mars' ancient highlands, which cover
about half the planet, contain clay minerals - which can form only in the
presence of water.
Volcanic lavas buried the clay-rich regions during subsequent, drier
periods of the planet's history, but impact craters later exposed them at
thousands of locations across Mars.
The data comes from the CRISM (Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer
for Mars) instrument on the US space agency's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter
spacecraft.
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Author: wcecs_2008wcecs_2008
Date: Jul 18, 2008 21:58
Call for Papers (extended): International Conference on Soft Computing
and Applications (ICSCA 2008)
From: International Association of Engineers (IAENG)
San Francisco, USA, 22-24 October, 2008
http://www.iaeng.org/WCECS2008/ICSCA2008.html
Important Dates:
Draft Paper Submission Deadline (extended): 22 July, 2008
Camera-Ready Papers Due & Registration Deadline: 30 July, 2008
WCECS 2008: 22-24 October, 2008
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