At 20:04 01/09/2007, Automatic DIGEST processor wrote:

The old phrase one man's ceiling is another man's floor applies to individual tolerances. What is tolerated by an individual cannot be assumed as tolerable for all.

RFC 1855 defines guidelines for list usage as well as other internet public forum types. Basically it states messages should be centered on the dedicated subject common to all subscribers. IOW, stay on topic. Receiving messages that describe the way ISPF functions is what this list is supposed to be used for. Advertising one's own commercial business doesn't even come close to basic reason for this list's existence.

I work as an independent contractor myself, but I don't promote my business here. This list would quickly be diluted if everyone who had a commercial business promoted their interests here.

And for those who might be thinking that anyone who doesn't like this can delete these messages without reading them should try setting their subscription mode to DIGEST. Not only would they see they are forced to read through every message, but they would also realize why some of the other guidelines are more important than they first thought.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with mentioning you have a business as a side note of the main on-topic message. Then if people are really interested in conducting business with the poster, they can contact them OFFLINE.

I appreciate that Steve apologized for his ads, but I would have preferred that been done privately. Then others replied via the list (instead of directly to him) that they could tolerate the ads occasionally. That is their personal preference and it varies from person to person.

In a sense, this thread is offline. If anyone disagrees with what I wrote here, please be considerate towards those who don't appreciate off-topic threads and reply directly to me.

\russ

Steve Comstock wrote on 1/9/2007 8:56 AM:

Ok, ISPF-L listowner stepping in here.

Cool! It works just fine in my Windows-based text editor as well -- and
I already know how to use that! It would work even in MS/Word.

Just change all:

,ODSN=

To:

,^p// ODSN=

(the character after the comma in the "to" string is a caret -- ASCII 5E
-- ^p is a special symbol used by MS/Word (and some other text editors)
to represent a new-line character.

-----Original Message-----
From: ISPF discussion list [mailto:ISPF-L@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
McKown, John
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:56 AM
To: ISPF-L@listserv.nd.edu
Subject: Interesting(?) observation.

Now THAT is a keeper!

Thanks.

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:55 , 'McKown, John' HEALTHMARKETS.COM> sent:

I know this is not the point, but I can't resist it ...

Judicious use of SET statements is great for shortening JCL lines:

//SETP SET P=IRRADU00
//SETI SET I=HDCBAK.SMFDUMP
//SETO SET O=TSH009.IRRADU00
//*
//STEP0010 EXEC &P,IDSN=&I(-0),ODSN=&O(+1)
//*
//* etc.
//*
//STEP0530 EXEC &P,IDSN=&I(-52),ODSN=&O(+52)

Ian



I then duplicate the above line 52 times (total of 53 lines). Well,
that's not exactly how I did it, but it is what I ended up with (to make
a long, boring story shorter). I then ended up with:

Nice. Thanks!