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Group: bionet.neuroscience · Group Profile
Author: kenken Date: Mar 6, 2008 06:51
Cross-posts removed.
"John Hasenkam" goawayplease.com> wrote in message news:13sul7vhiejga00@corp.supernews.com...
| Hey Glen,
|
| Thanks for the data check. I've never
| liked the casual dismissal of the
| Place Effect nor the willy nilly
| way in which it is invoked.
Although it's underpinning dyn-
amics are physically-real, the
concept of "the placebo effect"
is, itself, a 'myth' that results
from the fact that folks, in-Gen-
eral, have been absent-under-
standing with respect to the fact
that what "Life" does is literally
grasp just-energy to 'climb'-
WDB2T, which is what enables
"Life" to 'move toward' the in-
creased-energy-density upon
which "Life's" Survival Depends,
and in which "Life" Derives.
"Life" =is= " 'moving toward'
increased-energy-density".
"The placebo effect" is a vague-
realization of that the above "is
True", but one in which how and
why it's True is not-stated, and
often, as you've pointed-out, 'dis-
missed' -- which 'dismissing' oc-
curs be-cause, in some folks' ex-
periences, the net-TD E/I-minimiz-
ations that instantiates "experien-
tial totals" [AoK, Ap8], renders
the concept of "the placebo ef-
fect" a relative-TD E/I(up)-in-
ducing 'thing' -- so their nerv-
ous systems' 'normal' TD E/I-
minimization dynamics Direct
their host organisms to 'move
away from' "the placebo effect".
Which is all just heart(down)
with respect to Individuals' ex-
perience.
Completely-'normal'.
Except for the fact that the 3D-E
that underpin "the placebo effect"
are physically-real -- which leaves
folks who 'move away from' "the
placebo effect" 'moving away from'
understanding physical reality, al-
beit, be-cause of stuff that has
only virtual-existence in physical
reality -- the absence-of-under-
standing that 'prevails' with re-
spect to the fact that what "Life"
does is grasp just-energy.
What's happening is that folks'
'movement' "stops-short-of" 'mov-
ing toward' Truth, usually because
they 'adhere' to this or that 'rule',
or 'rule'-set, that's been coerced-
'within' their nervous systems' TD
E/I-minimization dynamics during
the courses of their prior exper-
ience [which happens routinely
in almost all human-'interactive'
dynamics, and routinely in educa-
tional dynamics, 'simply' because
what's formerly "learned" is sub-
sequently taught, and is, itself,
absent-understanding with re-
spect to physical reality, but nev-
ertheless, thereafter, 'persisted'
in the form of the "biological mass"
that becomes instantiated during
the course of Students' TD E/I-
minimization dynamics.]
Which is 'just' the 'way' that
'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min-
imization, left-uncomprehended,
instantiates 'that-with-respect-
to-which-td e/i-minimization-is-
permitted-to-occur-across-pop-
ulations, which is what "accul-
turation" physically is.
The coercion-of-'culture' is 'just'
'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min-
imization, uncomprehended, nev-
ertheless, being 'enforced' across
a Population.
Sidebar: There was an article in
the Tuesday, 4 March, 2008, issue
of The =New York Times=, "Science
Times" section, "Sociable, and
Smart", reported by, Carl Zimmer,
p. D1, in which the stereotypically-
hierarchical order of Spotted Hyenas
was discussed. The Research is
being done by Kay E. Holekamp
at the University of Michigan.
Quoting from the article:
"Dr. Holekamp hopes to determine
how innovative hyenas are com-
pared to other carnivores."
To the degree that "hierarchical
order" is 'enforced', Generalized-
intelligence is minimized -- be-
cause the "hierarchy" =prede-
termines= "what can be done"
by any, and all, 'members' of
the "hierarchy".
It's still "intelligence" but intelli-
gence with respect to optimiz-
ing the 'movement' of the hier-
archy, not with respect to Gen-
eralized-'movement'.
The 'point' being that 'enforce-
ment' of 'rules' optimizes the
'rules', not Generalized-intelli-
gence.
Unlike Spotted Hyenas, humans
possess Generalized-intelligence,
but, be-cause folks do not, 'yet',
understand how and why their
Generalized-intelligence is instan-
tiated in how and why their nerv-
ous systems process information
via 'blindly'-automated TD E/I-
minimization -- which grasps
just-energy -- humans've, thus
far during the course of human
History, 'moved away from' Ac-
tualizing their innate Generalized-
intelligence because, absence-of-
understanding with respect to
how and why nervous systems
leaves folks in a 'state'-of-'fear'
with respect to Generalized-dis-
order, with the 'presumption'
that, 'if there are no rules' that
can be 'enforced', "chaos" will
break-out -- and there's 'reason',
in-History, that 'underpins' the
existence of such 'fear'.
The only 'problem' is that the
'fear'-of-'chaos', itself, Derives-
Wholly in the absence-of-under-
standing that's 'prevailed' with
respect to how and why nervous
systems process information via
'blindly'-automated TD E/I-min-
imization.
That is, it's the =absence-of-un-
derstanding= -- the absence-of-
Truth -- that instantiates the Pos-
sibility of "chaos" in behavioral-
dynamics.
There's no "necessity" of "chaos"
in Truth.
"Chaos" is not only Possible, but
Probable, only be-cause Truth
with respect to how and why
nervous systems work has 're-
mained' Unknown across Popula-
tions, with the 'result' having
been that, like the hyenas, hu-
mans have 'optimized-rules' in-
stead of Actualizing their innate
Generalized-intelligence.
Which, for instance, is how and
why, although the 3D-E that un-
derpin "the placebo effect" are
physically-real, folks who've
learned various anti-correlated
'rules' 'move away from' See-
ing the physically-real 3D-E-un-
derpinnings to which the con-
cept of "the placebo effect" re-
fers.
'fear'-of-disorder, 'displacing'
what's right-there, innately-in
human nervous systems to do.
The 'fear'-of-disorder does, it-
self, have physically-real under-
pinnings that 'run' Exceedingly-
Deep in "Life" -- be-cause, what
"Life" does is 'move away from'
disorder -- even though it's in-
nate, 'within' Human Beings'
nervous systems to 'move to-
ward' disorder in-order to ex-
perience it, in-order to Elimin-
ate-it :-]
What's been 'preventing' humans
from doing such has been that
humans 'remained' absent-under-
standing with respect to how and
why nervous systems process in-
formation via 'blindly'-automated
TD E/I-minimization -- which has
left folks not-knowing how to 'move',
even though it's innate 'within' hu-
man nervous systems' Generalized-
intelligence to =Know= how to
'move'.
Instead of just-'moving', and un-
derstanding what the always-more-
or-less-Directed TD E/I that they
experience when they 'move' tells
them about how to 'move', humans
have given their innate Generalized-
intelligence over to 'optimizing-
rules' with respect to the Possibility-
of-disorder.
The 'two' are Mutually-Exclusive.
'move toward' 'rules', and, to the
degree of such, one renders one's
self virtually-unable to 'move toward'
Truth -- which is what the Generaliz-
ed-intelligence that's innate 'within'
'normal' human nervous systems
is Capable of doing.
Actualizing Generalized-intelligence
is =NOT= the same as "being-reck-
less" in 'movement' -- it's not en-
tirely-different-from 'adhering'-to-
'rules'.
It's just that the former doesn't
need 'rules' be-cause it just Sees
the 3D-E, and 'moves' in accord
with them, not 'rules'.
"Huh?"
:-]
Perhaps it'll become a =bit= 'clear-
er' if I discuss from what's been my
own experience whole working to
communicate NDT's understanding.
I ='had to'= work 'alone', even
though doing so is like 'living-in-
hell', be-cause, since I Saw that
I 'had to' 'move toward' what re-
mained unknown, my doing so
would, Necessarily, result in my
acquiring behavioral-dynamics
that were not, 'yet', in-the-'rules'
of 'established-behavioral-approp-
riateness', and I learned fairly-rap-
idly [especially early-on] that, if I
'moved' in Directions that were
not 'positively-sanctioned' in the
'then'-existing-'rules', my doing
so would 'result' in folks becom-
ing 'inamored'-with-'me' -- which
I came to understand was because
all folks 'saw' was my behaving-
'outside-the-rules' -- which enabled
me to See that it was the 'rules',
and not folks who 'adhere' to the
'rules' that were 'getting-in-the-
way' of my doing of what I, then'-
still-only-Vaguely-'saw' Needed
to be done.
So I Chose to work 'alone'.
=Not= 'because I like being-alone',
but to 'escape' the 'tyranny' of the
'rules' that I 'saw' were acting to
'predetermine' that 'what needed
to be done could not actually be
done'.
And, so-proceeding, my work in-
ploded-to-Unity about nine 'years'
later.
Which wouldn't've happened if
I'd've remained in any environ-
ment in which 'rules' are optimiz-
ed, rather than 'moving toward'
Truth.
Anyway, folks who 'dismiss' the
concept of "the placebo effect",
and other such not-yet--in-their-
experienced-Reified stuff, do so
be-cause they've given-over their
innate Generalized-intelligence
to 'optimizing-rules' instead of
just doing what their innate Gen-
eralized-intelligences can do,
which is to 'move toward' Truth,
not 'rules'.
It's a bit subtle, but the Differ-
ence is Huge.
| An old friend of mine suggested
| that the appellation needs to be
| in the plural because there are
| many varieties of placebo and d
| ifferent processes seem to be at
| play.
The varieties are Infinite-in-Number,
because, look at anything, and the
same-stuff that physically-underpins
"the placebo effect" -- the 3D-E --
are right-there, no matter what one
looks at.
To See the "essence" of any such
'thing', Look at it's 3D-E, and 'move'
with respect to it's 3D-E, not the
'language'-interface-'rule' that 'de-
fines' the 'thing' in groupwise-ex-
perience -- which way-of-Seeing
will become the routine way-of-
Seeing as folks come-up-to-speed
in their understandings of how and
why nervous systems process in-
formation via 'blindly'-automated
TD E/I-minimization.
See the essence, not the 'rule'.
| Another case where the name
| leads the cognition astray.
Exactly. "Names" are just 'rules'
that're coerced, via the coercion
of 'td e/i-minimization' 'within'
'language'-interface dynamics.
See the essence, not the 'name'.
See the 3D-E.
| Would such an effect be noted
| simply for larger numeric values
| (eg. more of the active agent in
| pill X, or a casual remark: we
| find this pill better but- or AND -
| its cheaper) or is it money specific?
'money' is a 'rule'-set.
One's got to eat, but do what's
necessary to eat, and 'skip' the
'rules'.
If 'getting-money', for instance,
renders one virtually-unable to
'move toward' Truth, what good
is the 'rule'-set that coerces 'get-
ting-money'?
That is, beyone stuff like shelter-
ing and eating :-]
| What would happen if this experiment
| were replicated in cultures where
| there are different over arching
| imperatives other than money?
Brilliant.
I 'must' Celebrate! HURRAH!
| Can a person's cognitive
| performance be enhanced
| by placebo?
All Human Beings cognitive
performance can be enhanced
to the degree that understanding
with respect to how and why
nervous systems process in-
formation via 'blindly'-auto-
mated TD E/I-minimization
is instantiated 'within' their
nervous system.
To the degree of such, one is
enabled to See the essences
of 'things' and to know how
and why to 'move' with re-
spect to stuff's 3D-E.
=All= "understanding" alters
nervous-system function in
the analogous way, but un-
derstanding re. heart(down)
stuff does such in all Directions,
all the way down to just-energy.
The only reason that it's 'Difficult'
is be-cause TD E/I-minimization
has not occurred, 'yet', 'within'
folks' nervous systems with re-
spect to it.
No TD E/I-minimization, no bio-
logical mass. No biological mass,
no behavioral inertia.
Absence-of-behavioral-inertia
[biological mass; TD E/I-minimiz-
ation] is absence-of-knowing-
how-and-why-to-'move toward'
Truth with respect to whatever.
| Good to see people still researching
| this area, it has been too much
| ignored.
|
| Thanks,
|
|
| John.
| [...]
I hope my lengthy reply to your
post does not offend.
Cheers, John.
ken [k. p. collins]
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