You Get What You Pay For? Costly Placebo Works Better Than Cheap One
ScienceDaily (Mar. 5, 2008) - A 10-cent pill doesn't kill pain as well as a
$2.50 pill, even when they are identical placebos, according to a
provocative study by Dan Ariely, a behavioral economist at Duke University.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080304173339.htm

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| You Get What You Pay For? Costly Placebo Works Better Than Cheap One
| ScienceDaily (Mar. 5, 2008) - A 10-cent pill doesn't kill pain as well as a
| $2.50 pill, even when they are identical placebos, according to a
| provocative study by Dan Ariely, a behavioral economist at Duke University.
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| http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080304173339.htm

Hi John,

'guess money can buy happiness
after all'.

[Only kidding.]

It's an example of pseudo-faith.

It happens be-cause immune-system
function is literally a form of Cognition.

I just looked at those data today - the effect looked pretty robust.

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I just looked at those data today - the effect looked pretty robust.

Cross-posts removed.

"ken" havagoodday.org> wrote in message news:yIDzj.3539$VS2.3053@trndny05...
| [...]

| "Placebos" don't cure
| cancer. TD E/I-minimization routinely
| does [as in, "Everyone gets cancer
| some 'time' during their Lives, but
| not everyone dies from it" -- be-
| cause TD E/I-minimization can, and
| does, "sweat-the-small-stuff" -- dis-
| ease that's 'smoldering' rather than
| already 'blazing'.]]
| [...]

Hey Glen,

Thanks for the data check. I've never liked the casual dismissal of the
Place Effect nor the willy nilly way in which it is invoked. An old friend
of mine suggested that the appellation needs to be in the plural because
there are many varieties of placebo and different processes seem to be at
play. Another case where the name leads the cognition astray.

Would such an effect be noted simply for larger numeric values(eg. more of
the active agent in pill X, or a casual remark: we find this pill better
but- or AND - its cheaper) or is it money specific? What would happen if
this experiment were replicated in cultures where there are different over
arching imperatives other than money? Can a person's cognitive performance
be enhanced by placebo?

Good to see people still researching this area, it has been too much
ignored.

Thanks,

John.

Hi John,
Firstly, the kind of actention (or attention but for my recognition of a
requirement that what we do, think, and feel be understood on a common
concEPTual ground :>) that a placebo pill implies, is, by any reasonable
definition, cognitive.

Boosts of beneficial beliefs can surely be had from "precisely put and
positive words produced via a tongue" as much as placebo-pills can be
placed on a tongue and swallowed (given a properly prepared
placebo-promoting attitude) to some pain-controlling/blocking, hence
relatively health-giving, effect.

It is only anecdotal, but it makes sense, that by whatever way that a
person is made to feel less listless or more alert and to have a
positive outlook on life - as opposed made to feel inferior or
inadequate - would tend to make them 'underperform' in test of all kinds
of intelligence.

Hi John,
Firstly, the kind of actention (or attention but for my recognition of a
requirement that what we do, think, and feel be understood on a common
concEPTual ground :>) that a placebo pill implies, is, by any reasonable
definition, cognitive.

Boosts of beneficial beliefs (via pain-controlling/blocking neural
mechanisms - hence having relatively health-giving effects) beliefs can
surely be had from "precisely put and positive words produced via a
"tongue" as much as placebo-pills can be placed on one (tongue) and
swallowed (given a properly prepared placebo-promoting attitude).

It is only anecdotal, but it makes sense, that by whatever way that a
person is made to feel less listless or more alert and to have a
positive outlook on life - as opposed made to feel inferior or
inadequate - would tend to make them 'underperform' in test of all kinds
of intelligence.

Cross-posts removed.

"John Hasenkam" goawayplease.com> wrote in message news:13sul7vhiejga00@corp.supernews.com...
| Hey Glen,
|
| Thanks for the data check. I've never
| liked the casual dismissal of the
| Place Effect nor the willy nilly
| way in which it is invoked.

"ken" havagoodday.org> wrote in message news:HxTzj.8361$Ie2.430@trndny09...
| [...]
|| [...]

| "Life" =is= " 'moving toward'
| increased-energy-density".
| [...]

Which is what " 'moving toward'
Truth" physically is.

| What[...] happen[s] is that folks' <-- edited
| 'movement' "stops-short-of" 'mov-
| ing toward' Truth, usually because
| they 'adhere' to this or that 'rule',
| or 'rule'-set, that's been coerced-
| 'within' their nervous systems' TD
| E/I-minimization dynamics during
| the courses of their prior exper-
| ience [...]

Which 'results' in the instantiation
of a 'hierarchical-order' of 'rules'.

"ken" havagoodday.org> wrote in message news:IO8Aj.6066$H%%3.531@trndny01...
| [...]

| There's more than I've, 'yet', dis-
| cussed in-it, but I encourage folks
| to draw the diagram and study all
| of the above as it's rigorously [if
| only abstractly] represented in-it.
|
| What folks routinely refer to as
| "an equation" is in-it.
|
| Globally-integrated nervous-
| system function is as 'simple'
| as the diagram.
| [...]