> If we are to discuss intelligence, we must first make our peace with
> the relationship between body and soul. Some, of course, are not aware
> that there is a problem. Let them be happy in their ignorance. Do not
> disturb.
>
> Others are aware of a pseudo-problem that they lay to a poor choice of
> words, a misuse of language. They tend to be very, very clever. They
> turn on a spigot, and a rush of words befogs the question.
>
> Soul (spirit, essence, psyche, mind, consciousness, awareness,
> intelligence, intellect, mentality, self, individuality, persona,
> personality, conscious mental field, self awareness, sentience,
> executive function).
>
> All these words imply an uneasiness with soul. All these words imply
> an object, or something approaching an object. Something we might
> carry about in a watch pocket and take out for display at an
> appropriate time.
>
> Such a diarrhea of the mouth. There is no talking to them. They have
> surrounded themselves with such a fortress of words that they cannot
> hear.
>
> ---- ---
>
> Definition of soul:
>
> 1. (philosophical) the immaterial essence, animating principle, or
> actuating cause of an individual life.
> 2. (theological) the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all
> rational and spiritual beings, or the universe.
>
> --- ---
>
> In more recent metaphysics less has been heard of the soul and more of
> the mind; the old problem of the relationship of soul and body is now
> that of the relationship of mind and body.
>
> A few have carefully parsed the question: Chalmers, an optimist, says
> we need a new physics. McGinn, a pessimist, replies, "Save your
> breath".
>
> The practical issue, in questions of intelligence, arises when we ask,
> "Does the soul (mind) have causal powers?" The scientist demands,
> "No!" The religionist asserts, "Yes!" Descartes said, "Yes". The
> Princess Elizabeth said, "No". There it rests.
>
> The late Sir Francis Crick looked for the neural correlate of
> consciousness (NCC). He failed, but not for lack of trying.
>
> If we should isolate a neuron, such that every time it burst you
> should experience a patch of blue, a quale, and if we should go
> further, and connect a button to the neuron so that every time you
> pushed the button, you should be aware of a patch of blue, would you
> feel in touch with your soul? Most would say, "No!"
>
> Would you even feel that you understood why you experienced the blue?
> Again, Chalmers says, "We need a new physics to understand the
> experiencing". Again, McGinn replies, "Saved your breath".
>
> You, a soul, experience a world. You know not why.
>
> Let us explain intelligence as a circuitry of neurons. Let us put
> qualia one side as a matter of religion.
>
> ray
Excellent post ray.
Im reminded of such koans as "the eye cannot see itself".
On a point of semantics. People interpret words in sync. with their state of
consciousness, so when comments are made regarding the location of "their"
soul,they are actually contributing to their barriers of identity (self
dialouge could be a component of 'new science', as an adjunct to quantum
physics....but I dont have to hold my breath ;-))...When I finally realized
that I am soul, a whole new perspective of 'authenticity' opened up.
Hope to hear more from you on alt.philosophy.
BOfL