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Author: Trevor WilsonTrevor Wilson
Date: Feb 28, 2007 10:01
> "Trevor Wilson" SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:45e4e2e3$0$16382$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...>>> Driving today on the freeway here in Phoenix and came up behind an older
>>> Landcruiser with a single truck cab with a flat tray that looked to be
>>> about 3m long and it had tandem axles in back. The truck still had
>>> Victoria plates and was a RHD diesel. Just wondering if maybe that truck
>>> is more common there? Anybody know if it is a factory fit or maybe
>>> something sombody had custom built. Looked to be a nice truck cruising
>>> along at 100 kph. I wish I could have talked to the man but I had to get
>>> to work.
>>> Thanks, Scott
>>
>> **I saw one last week. I had to double check the rear vision mirror.
>> Tandem axles and what looked like a stretch Landcriuser. However, for
>> anyone who has seen it, the stretch Mini is the funniest thing I've seen ...
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Author: Bill StoneyBill Stoney
Date: Feb 28, 2007 04:04
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Billy Who ?
>>>
>>
>> Who knows? Some guy who was big as a music star back in World War 2 or
>> something. All those old fogeys who can't remember any tunes written
>> after their 40th birthday are sobbing into their all-bran about him. ;)
>>
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Author: PoxyPoxy
Date: Feb 27, 2007 17:11
> Noddy dodo.com.au> wrote:>> "Emjaye" yarwho.com.au> wrote:>
>>> So when it comes to "dumbing" down of drivers with safety aids like
ESC,
>>> ABS, traction control and so on, all I can say is, "bring it on".
>
>> Provided it's switchable.
>
> And all drivers have to learn with it off. Ditto for driving tests.
Wait, you're saying learner drivers, you know, those inexperienced ones,
should drive with ESC turned off?
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Author: PoxyPoxy
Date: Feb 27, 2007 16:54
"Emjaye" yarwho.com.au> wrote in message
news:45e4bed6.0000376e.bm001@yarwho.com.au...> nospam said....
>
>> I don't know what anyone else is saying, but what I'm saying is that
>> I've found a car with locked wheels (or as close to locked as you can
>> get without actually doing so) will always stop in a shorter distance on
>
> You're changing your story mid-sentence. Max grip on braking is
> achieved at the point before lockup occurs. Something to do with
> coefficient of friction, I believe.
>
> As soon as the wheels lock up, all grip is lost and you start sliding.
> From that point on you're just along for the ride.
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Author: EmjayeEmjaye
Date: Feb 27, 2007 16:23
Athol said....
> Add the fact that adaptive cruise control and electronic brake assist
> will adjust their travel speed and braking rates and the next generation
> of "drivers" won't even know how to determine reasonable distances and
> braking rates.
Lots don't know now. Witness the endless incidents of tail enders, those
who tailgate like they're slipstreaming at Oran Park or Sandown, and
those who can't even tell the difference between a red and green light,
where shitloads of intersection crashes occur. Maybe the technology will
"pound" into them, the skills that don't occur naturally...
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Author: EmjayeEmjaye
Date: Feb 27, 2007 16:19
nospam said....
> However, what I *am* saying is that cars can be (and have been for
> years) "recovered" from incidents without being able to do that. There
> is no way that you or anyone else can tell me catagorically that ESP
> will revover a vehicle from a situation that no person can otherwise get
> out of on driving skill alone.
That's something that you'd have to ask the engineers who designed the
system and how it went during development and commissioning of the
system.
As it's relatively new, not many vehicles available to mainstream
Australian drivers will have had any practical experience with it. So,
who knows what it's capable of. Certainly, what is obvious, if it works
like it's been claimed to, then a driver has to be better off with the
technology than without it, particularly in those situations that it's
designed to operate in.
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Author: EmjayeEmjaye
Date: Feb 27, 2007 16:13
Clockmeister said....
> Right, and only in an emergency situation. There is a big difference
> between manufacturers too, with Ford ABS being particularly shithouse
> compared to the system found on Commodores.
Tend to agree with this particular example, except that it applies to a
Mazda Tribute.
Last 3 vehicles were Commodores (VR2 Berlina, VT SS, VX2 SS), Now own a
an '06 Mazda Tribute. Its ABS definately "feels" different to how the
Holden's version is implemented. Dunno if it works any better or not,
though.
> Those systems provide a level of contol well beyond what a human being
> is capable of, fullstop.
Except for those humans who think that they don't need ESP/C (or
whatever the last letter stands for)...
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Author:
Date: Feb 27, 2007 16:09
"Dan---" lsx-tuning.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.02.27.22.07.45.547658@lsx-tuning.com...> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:48:50 +1100, Noddy PCM code reading says :
>
>> Heard on the telly early this morning that Billy Thorpe has died after
>> suffering a massive heart attack at age 60. One of Australia's most
>> talented musicians and entertaining performers, he'll be very sadly
missed
>> indeed.
>
> Indeed RIP Billy.
> :-(
Great Ozzy rocker.
Jason
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Author:
Date: Feb 27, 2007 15:28
> And all drivers have to learn with it off. Ditto for driving tests.
Absolutely.
I'd go a step further and state that I think it should be *compulsory* for
new drivers to do an advanced driving course as part of either their licence
testing or training for the test, and part of that course should include
some time on a skid pan to at least give people the basics of what to do in
the event that a car gets out of shape.
It may not make people instinctively react to such situations and equip them
with the skills to be able to save themselves, but at least they'll get an
idea.
Current driver training is little more that teaching people how to get a car
moving in perfect conditions, and lets them fend for themselves for
everything else. It's kinda like training a fighter pilot by teaching
him/her to take off, fly a loop of the airfield and land and letting them go
off and learn how to "fly the plane" through their own misadventure.
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