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Author: C. DewickC. Dewick Date: Apr 16, 2008 02:14
David Johnson writes:
>Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>> Consider MD-81.
>>
>> The loading gauge, sorry, external fuselage width is 335 cm. Internal
>> cabin width 313 cm. External fuselage height 361 cm. Total length 45 m
>> nose to tailplane, 41,6 m nose to tailcone.
>I elect to compare A) a NSW Tulloch double deck trailer car B) a NSW
>double deck motor car C) a 4 car NSW double deck train and D) a 2 car
>NSW Diesel Endeavour
> A B C D
>Width 314 308 308 292
>Height 438 438 438 411
>Length 19m 19m 77m 50m
>> 313 cm cabin width allows 5 seats abreast, 3-2. Maximum 172 seats,
>> more commonly 150...160.
> A B C D
>Abreast 5 5 5 5
>Seats 132 112 484 190
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Author: JethroJethro Date: Apr 16, 2008 05:56
"C. Dewick" lios.apana.org.au> > And the carbon 'footprint' for
aviation is massive compared to travelling by> train! This is half the reason why airlines charge such a huge 'fuel
> surcharge' and why those surcharges keep creeping up and up. Air travel is
> extremely energy-intensive by design.
>
> The basic issue is this - if you want to get somewhere very fast you go by
> plane and incur an extremely high expenditure of energy on a
> 'per-customer'
> basis to get to your destination. If you don't care so much about travel
> time, you use a slower method which, in general, would have a much lower
> energy expenditure on a 'per-customer' basis.
>
> Craig.
> --
Correct:
Jet aircraft emit high levels of nitrous oxides, a greenhouse gas 320 times
more potent than CO2, and other greenhouse gases into the upper atmosphere.
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Author: Stealth PilotStealth Pilot Date: Apr 16, 2008 06:37
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:01 +0000 (UTC), C. Dewick
lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
>David Johnson writes:
>
>>Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>
>
>And the carbon 'footprint' for aviation is massive compared to travelling by
>train! This is half the reason why airlines charge such a huge 'fuel
>surcharge' and why those surcharges keep creeping up and up. Air travel is
>extremely energy-intensive by design.
>
bollocks.
what/who is the largest user of electrical power in Perth?
answer: suburban electrical rail.
Stealth Pilot
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Date: Apr 16, 2008 06:41
hello,
"Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> a
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Author: C. DewickC. Dewick Date: Apr 16, 2008 13:40
Stealth Pilot aeroplanes.com.au> writes:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:01 +0000 (UTC), C. Dewick
> lios.apana.org.au> wrote:>>David Johnson writes:
>>
>>>Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>>
>>
>>And the carbon 'footprint' for aviation is massive compared to travelling by
>>train! This is half the reason why airlines charge such a huge 'fuel
>>surcharge' and why those surcharges keep creeping up and up. Air travel is
>>extremely energy-intensive by design.
>>
>bollocks.
No it's not!
>what/who is the largest user of electrical power in Perth?
>answer: suburban electrical rail.
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Author: JethroJethro Date: Apr 16, 2008 15:33
"William JONES" wrote in message
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> hello,
>
> "Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> a
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Author: Peter DegotardiPeter Degotardi Date: Apr 16, 2008 15:33
William JONES wrote:
> Still waiting to see electric planes ...
The weight of the extension cord is a killer though
--
Peter Degotardi peterdegYourHat@ au1.ibm.com
(remove YourHat to talk to me)
IBM Australia
I speak *from* IBM, not *for* IBM
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Author: BernieFlyerBernieFlyer Date: Apr 16, 2008 16:05
Stealth Pilot wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:01 +0000 (UTC), C. Dewick
> lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
> >> David Johnson writes:
>>
>>> Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>
>> And the carbon 'footprint' for aviation is massive compared to travelling by
>> train! This is half the reason why airlines charge such a huge 'fuel
>> surcharge' and why those surcharges keep creeping up and up. Air travel is
>> extremely energy-intensive by design.
>>
>
> bollocks.
>
> what/who is the largest user of electrical power in Perth?
>
> answer: suburban electrical rail.
> ...
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Author: Merritt MullenMerritt Mullen Date: Apr 16, 2008 16:18
In article 4ax.com>,
Stealth Pilot aeroplanes.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:01 +0000 (UTC), C. Dewick
> lios.apana.org.au> wrote:>>And the carbon 'footprint' for aviation is massive compared to travelling by
>>train! This is half the reason why airlines charge such a huge 'fuel
>>surcharge' and why those surcharges keep creeping up and up. Air travel is
>>extremely energy-intensive by design.
>>
>
> bollocks.
>
> what/who is the largest user of electrical power in Perth?
>
> answer: suburban electrical rail.
>
> Stealth Pilot
And airplanes use none of that electrical power in Perth! Therefore,
they do not consume energy! Wow! Go by air and save energy!
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Author: veritasveritas Date: Apr 16, 2008 17:38
All we need for [the subject] Amtrak to work in AU (this is where you
have posted to) is a Pacific tunnel.
C. Dewick wrote:
> David Johnson writes:
>
>> Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>
>>> Consider MD-81.
>>>
>>> The loading gauge, sorry, external fuselage width is 335 cm. Internal...
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