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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Author: Michael Henry
Date: Jun 8, 2008 19:11

Stealth Pilot wrote:
> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.

That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee
said "We're all in this together"

I'm of the opinion that high fuel prices are good for another reason: it
makes alternative fuels more viable. I look forward to the day when
we're all running aero-diesels burning biofuel. (The current perception
by consumers that biofuel is responsible for high food prices is
rubbish. Destruction of native forests for the planting of feedstock is
a bigger issue. We'll work it out eventually...)
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Date: Jun 9, 2008 00:48

"Michael Henry" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>
>> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
>> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
>> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.
>
> That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
> resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee said
> "We're all in this together"
>
> I'm of the opinion that high fuel prices are good for another reason: it
> makes alternative fuels more viable. I look forward to the day when we're
> all running aero-diesels burning biofuel. (The current perception by
> consumers that biofuel is responsible...
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Author: Bernd Felsche
Date: Jun 9, 2008 01:41

"John Ewing" wrote:
>"Michael Henry" gmail.com> wrote:
>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>>> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
>>> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
>>> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.
>> That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
>> resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee said
>> "We're all in this together"
>> I'm of the opinion that high fuel prices are good for another reason: it
>> makes alternative fuels more viable. I look forward to the day when we're
>> all running aero-diesels burning biofuel. (The current perception by
>> consumers that biofuel is responsible for high food prices is rubbish.
>> Destruction of native forests for the planting of feedstock is a bigger
>> issue. We'll work it out eventually...)
>Skip biofuel ... go straight to zero pollution hydrogen powered vehicles
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Author: Peter Smyth
Date: Jun 9, 2008 02:14

"John Ewing" wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Henry" gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zPidndF4R537DNHVnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@posted.internode...
>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>>
>>> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
>>> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
>>> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.
>>
>> That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
>> resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee
>> said "We're all in this together"
>>
>> I'm of the opinion that high fuel prices are good for another reason: it
>> makes alternative fuels more viable. I look forward to the day when we're
>> all running aero-diesels burning biofuel. (The current perception by
>> consumers that biofuel is responsible for high food prices is rubbish.
>> Destruction of native forests for the planting of feedstock is a bigger ...
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Date: Jun 9, 2008 05:46

"Bernd Felsche" innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "John Ewing" wrote:
>>"Michael Henry" gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>
>>>> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
>>>> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
>>>> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.
>
>>> That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
>>> resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee
>>> said
>>> "We're all in this together"
>
>>> I'm of the opinion that high fuel prices are good for another reason: it
>>> makes alternative fuels more viable. I look forward to the day when
>>> we're
>>> all running aero-diesels burning biofuel. (The current perception by
>>> consumers that biofuel is responsible for high food prices is rubbish. ...
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Date: Jun 9, 2008 06:07

"Peter Smyth" nine.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "John Ewing" wrote in message
> news:484ce047$0$1025$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> "Michael Henry" gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:zPidndF4R537DNHVnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@posted.internode...
>>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>>>
>>>> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
>>>> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
>>>> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.
>>>
>>> That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
>>> resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee
>>> said "We're all in this together"
>>>
>>> I'm of the opinion that high fuel prices are good for another reason: it
>>> makes alternative fuels more viable. I look forward to the day when ...
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Author: Peter Smyth
Date: Jun 9, 2008 06:27

"John Ewing" wrote in message
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> "Peter Smyth" nine.com.au> wrote in message
> news:484cf474$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
>> "John Ewing" wrote in message
>> news:484ce047$0$1025$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Michael Henry" gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:zPidndF4R537DNHVnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@posted.internode...
>>>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the other thing I like about high fuel prices is that the chinese have
>>>>> to pay them as well. that'll slow the buggers down. maybe the jobs
>>>>> will stop being exported over to them in the long run.
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty archaic view! It is Chinese demand for our natural
>>>> resources which is making the Australian dollar so strong! As Ben Lee
>>>> said "We're all in this together" ...
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Author: Bertie the Bunyip
Date: Jun 9, 2008 07:10

"John Ewing" wrote in
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> "Bernd Felsche" innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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>> "John Ewing" wrote:
>>>"Michael Henry"
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Date: Jun 9, 2008 07:48

"Paul Saccani" omen.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:46:15 +1000, "John Ewing" wrote:
>
>>>>Skip biofuel ... go straight to zero pollution hydrogen powered vehicles
>>>
>>>
>>> Zero-pollution? How are you going to get the hydrogen?
>>
>>From water probably using solar cells. Recent developments have
>>dramatically increased their efficiency, and there is likely to be further
>>improvements.
>
> !? Never mind the cost, have you got any idea how much real estate
> that would take?

Like a desert? I think Australia has a few decent sized ones :)
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Re: The real benefits of high fuel prices         


Author: Bernd Felsche
Date: Jun 9, 2008 09:03

"John Ewing" wrote:
>"Paul Saccani" omen.net.au> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:46:15 +1000, "John Ewing" wrote:
>>>>>Skip biofuel ... go straight to zero pollution hydrogen powered vehicles
>>>> Zero-pollution? How are you going to get the hydrogen?
>>>From water probably using solar cells. Recent developments have
>>>dramatically increased their efficiency, and there is likely to be further
>>>improvements.

Where's the reference to research/industry? Or is this all
hand-waving?

And what's the "dramatic" increase? I recently read how polymer PV
cells had a dramatic increase in efficiency. From 3%% to 5%%.
>> !? Never mind the cost, have you got any idea how much real estate
>> that would take?
>Like a desert? I think Australia has a few decent sized ones :)
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