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>>>> It's worth noting the Japs are even interested in the Super Hornet. Also,
>>>> they recognise the F22 doesn't have the same sort of maritime strike
>>>> capability that we need.
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>>> Its worth noting the Japs are undertaking a comprehensive and
>>> competitive evaluation process before making a decision to buy.
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>> I'll laugh if they come to the same conclusion we did (unlikely, since they
>> don't operate Classic Hornets already, they've already got F15s), but if
>> they did, we'd have done it quicker and cheaper.
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> Trusting to get something right through blind luck is not an appropriate
> risk management strategy.
It's not even dumb luck. We are avoiding the bleeding obvious.
The F-35, if it ever gets bult, and it probably should not, is
going to be a decade late and four times in cost what the stupid
little thing is worth. Even the Jews are backing away from the thing,
and they get them for nothing.
The US Army has spent a billion updating the A-10, and the US Navy is
slowly
walking away from the F-35. Here's a good little read.
"The U.S. Navy is having a difficult time paying for recapitalization
of its aircraft. There are a number of things that come into play.
There are worries if the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) Lightning II
will arrive on schedule. It has been stated that the Navy's other
fighter aircraft, the Boeing F-18E/F Super Hornet will complement the
F-35 out to the years 2024-30. With limited funds to pay for not only
aircraft but shipbuilding, the U.S. Navy's budget has little margin
for buying anything but the minimums for all platform types, and no
margin for cost rise and delays in weapons programs.
With increased buys of the Super Hornet that could be triple of what
was needed before on the count of aging legacy Hornets and possible
F-35 delays, funds that were supposed to go to the F-35 program could
come into conflict. [1]
This conflict for funds may become more troubled when one takes into
consideration that the Northrop UCAS-D unmanned combat aircraft for
carrier use will need funding in the coming years if it proves itself.
[2] The funding issue becomes more troublesome with the declining
value of the U.S. dollar.[3]
The F-35 has more issues attached to it when one considers that the
U.S. Navy is very happy with the Super Hornet. The Super Hornet can do
most carrier missions asked of it and can also provide air-to-air
refueling and an electronic jamming variant. More, it has the option
of two aircrew attack. Almost half of the Navy's Super Hornet
squadrons are the two-seat F model.
No amount of fancy avionics are going to pull the U.S. Navy away from
the idea that two aircrew attack is a function that needs to fly from
the carrier deck. Way back when the JSF program was taking input to
the design from all future users, the U.S. Navy stated they wanted a
jet that had two engines and two aircrew. With the fielding of the
Block II variant of the Super Hornet, the avionics provide a leap
ahead for the Navy in platform capability: Even more so when those
advanced avionics are combined with two aircrew.
The two-engine ability of Super Hornet means that like previous
Hornets, one engine can be put back to idle or shut down if a
malfunction appears. The Super Hornet handles well with one-engine
landing approaches. This is hard to ignore when discussing anything
related to today's carrier operations.
When you consider that the U.S. Navy spends more of its time going up
against threats that have a sub-par or no air arm, the F-35 may become
a niche player on the carrier deck when it arrives. Again this
consideration becomes more critical if the UCAS-D is successful. While
the F-35 provides more range than the Super Hornet, the UCAS-D
provides up to a 1500 mile range from the carrier deck and even
without a first team enemy air force threat, has a significant loiter
value for small-wars, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance
(ISR) missions and may even prove itself as an air-to-air refueling
and Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) asset. While the UCAS-D has a very
long way to go for proof it may provide competition in the fighter
aircraft funding road map.
What are the F-35 strengths when it arrives? Certainly increased air-
to-air survivability and maybe if it proves itself, air-to-air
dominance. While the Super Hornet may have trick avionics, it comes up
short in air-to-air raw performance. Enough so that advanced Russian
inspired big-SU threats like the SU-30, and SU-35 become a serious
concern. [4][5] [6] This is important to consider when one looks at
the fact that these threats are proliferating with no end in sight in
a Pac Rim flush with cash from a new world economy.
While one may consider that the U.S. Navy always has numerous Tomahawk
cruise missiles to make its point, a fully lawyered-up ROE (Rules-of-
Engagement) scenario may prohibit munitions of any kind, touching the
soil of certain future peer advisories. Meaning under these conditons:
Any threat that reaches out will have to be clipped by fighter
aircraft.
F-35 will bring back some strike radius to the carrier that it hasn't
seen since the demise of the F-14 "Bombcat" and A-6. Even the Lockheed
Martin briefing on the F-35A to Norway looks scary when it shows a 740
mile radius of action and a huge passive sensor footprint backed up by
the shorter sensor footprint of the AESA radar, and electro-optical
sensors.[7] This gives the U.S. Navy ability to do not only strike
work, but ISR work in higher threat environments. This means the
carrier battle group will be better informed.
What is some of the latest news for the F-35 carrier variant? The
annual Navy League gathering produced some good information and even a
few mixed signals.
Lockheed claims that there has been significant progress on qualifying
the aircraft stealth skill so as to be durable and low maintenance.
What makes a great carrier aircraft? Well if you talk to maintenance
officers and enlisted Petty Officers and Chief Petty Officers, a great
aircraft for the carrier is one that is easier to maintain. Here the
Super Hornet received a significant amount of praise from U.S.N.
maintenance pros. It required much less work to keep mission ready. In
comparison to the now retired F-14, as much as 4 to 5 times less man
hours of maintenance per flying hour.
The F-35 has to prove that stealth aircraft can be maintainable and
not be a drag on the carrier maintenance environment. "The F-35C's
stealth will bring a profound increase in capability to the Navy's
fighter fleet. What it will not bring is increased maintenance," said
Steve O'Bryan, a former carrier fighter pilot and director of F-35
Domestic Business Development for Lockheed Martin. "The Lightning II
is a 5th generation fighter with supportable stealth that was designed
into the aircraft from the very beginning. It will endure extreme
abuse without degrading its stealth radar-signature performance."
One only has to see carrier operations to know that these aircraft get
abused a lot. They are slammed down on the deck for every landing and
the salt air makes the pretty look of a new paint job go away fast.
While all the killing effects of the F-35 might be fascinating, it
would be worthless for carrier operations if the jet had to be taped
up and pasted for hours on end for every mission in hopes of having
any low observable ability. This is what had to be done to older
technology stealth aircraft like the F-117 in order to make them
mission ready.
"Even operating in harsh carrier-deck conditions, the F-35C will
require no special care or feeding. In fact, its stealth adds very
little to the day-to-day maintenance equation," O'Bryan said. "We've
come a long way from the early stealth airplanes, which needed hours
or even days of attention and repair after every flight. The F-35 not
only avoids that intensive level of upkeep, it will require
significantly less maintenance than the non-stealth fighters it is
designed to replace."
Lockheed Martin also claims that the F-35 is designed to remain
stealthy in severe combat conditions, and tests have validated that
capability. After obtaining baseline radar cross section (RCS)
measurements from a highly detailed, full-scale Signature Measurement
Aircraft (SigMA), a team of Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman
engineers intentionally inflicted extensive damage - more than three
dozen significant defects - on the model. The damage represented the
cumulative effect of more than 600 flight hours of military aircraft
operations. RCS measurements taken after the damage showed that the
stealthy signature remained intact.
It will be interesting to see what the maintenance cycles for the
F-35C turn out to be. It is at this time in the spirit of that FBI
Special Agent Fox Moulder from the X-Files that I look over at the UFO
poster on the wall that says: "I want to believe."
Mixed signals from the Navy League gathering? If PowerPoint slides [8]
can help you look good, they can also make you look bad or
questionable. The briefing stated that only 2%% of maintenance actions
require restoration maintenance to the aircrafts L.O. ( Low
Observable, pronounced "L" "O" and not "Low") profile. This is
interesting as the September 2006 F-35 status briefing stated that
only 1%% of maintenance actions on the F-35 need L.O. restoration. Is
this additional 1%% of L.O. restoration for all types or just the extra
brutal maintenance environment associated with carrier operations?
Another item for those that depend on PowerPoint is one slide that
shows the F-35 being able to take on advanced double-digit Russian
technology Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) threats that will be around
for the life of the aircraft. While the F-35 maybe survivable to some
factor, as seen with LMs explanation of the F-117 shoot-down years
ago, even a slight turning maneuver can destroy your stealth profile.
If you have limited speed and altitude, your ability to escape an
adverse stealth event may be questionable.
Interesting as the slide runs counter to recent statements by the
former head of the F-22 program, Maj. Gen. Rick Lewis USAF(ret). He
stated in the March 17, 2008 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology
that: "The key to the F-22's advantage over the F-35 is its speed and
stealth optimized to counter advanced and integrated air defense
systems. The F-35's survivability and effectiveness would be much less
than that of the F-22 because it employs subsonic speeds, lower
altitudes, lower G and has half the missile load." This is not the
first time USAF experts have stated that the F-35 can't go where the
F-22 can on the topic of survivability in stiff, advanced enemy
integrated air defense system (IADS) environments.
There was a bit of amusement for the slide brief too. One of the big
critics of the F-35 combat ability, Air Power Australia (APA) was
quoted as a source for some of the information on the slides. This may
not be the best of moves on the part of the slide creators if one ever
reads all of the F-35 content published by APA.[9][10]
The most powerful statements in the brief that deserve mention? The
fact that the U.S. military is looking at some bleak times and a
serious lack of fighters if F-35 becomes delayed or starts to cost too
much. Those particular slides of a nation short on fighter aircraft in
the next 20 years are a medical chart of a dying patient. The F-35 has
no option but to succeed. [11]
End Notes-
[1] David A. Fulghum, Hornet Shortage Faster Than Predictions.
Aerospace Daily & Defense Report, March 20, 2008
[2]Northrop Grumman product page X-47 UCAS
[3]Nathan Hodge, Sliding U.S. Dollar Hits JSF Programme, Janes
Information Group, March 20, 2008
[4] Bill Sweetman, Super Hornet gathers speed, but critics keep
pressure on, Interavia Business & Technology, March 1, 1999
[5] Elaine Grossman, Navy Test Report Shows F/A-18E/F Struggling To
Match Older Aircraft: Acquisition Chief Authorizes New Funding
Release, Inside the Pentagon, February 11, 1999
[6]Dr. Carlo Kopp, Sukhoi Flankers, The Shifting Balance of Regional
Air Power, Air Power Australia, 2007
[7]Tom Burbage, JSF Program for Norway, Lockheed Martin Briefing
Slides, 25 January 2006
[8]Steve O' Bryan, Navy's 5th Generation Fighter...The Wave of the
Future, Lockheed Martin briefing to the Navy League, March 2008.
[9]Bill Sweetman, Ready, Aim, Shoot Foot, Aviation Week, March 21,
2008
[10]Dr. Carlo Kopp, Assessing the Joint Strike Fighter, Air Power
Australia, 2007
[11]Caitlin Harrington, USAF Secretary Warns That JSF Cuts Could
Imperil National Security, Janes Information Group, September 24,
2007, "The last time I [traded stealth fighters for a long-range
bomber], I bought 21 B-2s," said Wynne.
Hmmm. I don't believe half of that. The F-35 will never require
maintenance"!
What I do believe is that the USN is not depending on these little
works
of fiction until 2040, and are opting to continue with the FA-18/EF.
Even though it is a pig, a much better choice for flying from
carriers.
I see the USSA last week when asked when these dinky toys were going
to become available, offered us another 34 FA-18 "Sitting Ducks"..
They must be taking the piss!
And the new Labor government is just as useless as the old Liberal
one.
"We need to purchase these planes because Yammerica will be angry
otherwise....". Fuck me sideways.
Mark.
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