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Author: Sylvia ElseSylvia Else Date: Sep 5, 2008 23:01
GB wrote:
> The Americans have won folks. I'm not sure which disturbs me
> more, that Australian police are introducing themselves as
> "anti-terrorist" or that Qantas called the cops on a bloke
> who left his laptop switched on during a landing.
>
> < http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/laptop-lands-qantas-flyer-in-hot-water/2008/09/04/1220121393686...>
>
> I expect that there's a bit more than the journaliar reveals
> mind you. The bloke probably gave the flighties some lip or
> something, but as the journaliar has worded things, it sure
> looks like the Americans have won :-/
>
> (Nutshell: Qantas 418 from Melbourne to Sydney. Punters advised
> that disembarkation is delayed due to a "technical issue". Coppers
> arrive and introduce themselves as "anti terrorism taskforce" and
> invite a "well dressed businessman" in row 7 to accompany them
> off the aircraft. Confronted by 6 coppers, the "businessman" was
> later "released without charge".)
> ...
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Author: JBJB Date: Sep 6, 2008 00:13
I remember a fellow like that.... He was going to Christchurch for a 'very
important' meeting. But, he just didn't want to put the laptop away, and
for some strange reason thought that I couldn't do anything about it. He
missed his meeting.
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Author: Sylvia ElseSylvia Else Date: Sep 6, 2008 00:24
JB wrote:
> I remember a fellow like that.... He was going to Christchurch for a 'very
> important' meeting. But, he just didn't want to put the laptop away, and
> for some strange reason thought that I couldn't do anything about it. He
> missed his meeting.
>
It's a strange mindset that leads people to disobey the crew in such
situations. Perhaps the position just isn't being made clear enough: "I
need you to turn that off now, because if you don't, the plane may crash."
Sylvia.
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Author: KeithKeith Date: Sep 6, 2008 02:01
Sylvia Else wrote:
> It's a strange mindset that leads people to disobey the crew in such
> situations. Perhaps the position just isn't being made clear enough: "I
> need you to turn that off now, because if you don't, the plane may crash."
For such people, it doesn't matter how clear the directive is, they'll
just continue to do what they want regardless. In my recent experience,
it's always passengers in business class that are most likely to believe
that a bigger seat makes them exempt from the rules that apply to
everybody else. Perhaps it's the business ago. Funnily enough, I've found
that first class passengers are usually the most courteous and eager to
follow instructions.
You will never hear a pilot give an instruction in the silly manner you
have described. I trust you wrote that just to make a point.
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Author: Sylvia ElseSylvia Else Date: Sep 6, 2008 02:45
Keith wrote:
> You will never hear a pilot give an instruction in the silly manner you
> have described. I trust you wrote that just to make a point.
>
Well, no, I do not expect a pilot to express it that way, not least
because the passengers around the offender might understand the risk to
be significant and immediate, and proceed to terminate the laptop's
operation, and that of its owner, with extreme prejudice.
But somehow the message needs to be got across to passengers that these
rules are not there just to make life difficult, but have a real safety
impact.
Of course, it doesn't help when the government implements rules
prohibiting nail files and toothpicks in the cabin, because such absurd
rules taint others by association.
Sylvia.
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Author: Stealth PilotStealth Pilot Date: Sep 6, 2008 03:09
On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:45:54 +1000, Sylvia Else
wrote:
>Of course, it doesn't help when the government implements rules
>prohibiting nail files and toothpicks in the cabin, because such absurd
>rules taint others by association.
>
of course. and if aeroplanes have such simple problems to fix why
arent they fixed in the designs?.
it cant be too damn difficult to make the passenger compartment a
faraday cage and put the avionics outside of it.
Stealth Pilot
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Author: Sylvia ElseSylvia Else Date: Sep 6, 2008 03:20
Stealth Pilot wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:45:54 +1000, Sylvia Else
> wrote:
>
>
>> Of course, it doesn't help when the government implements rules
>> prohibiting nail files and toothpicks in the cabin, because such absurd
>> rules taint others by association.
>>
>
> of course. and if aeroplanes have such simple problems to fix why
> arent they fixed in the designs?.
> it cant be too damn difficult to make the passenger compartment a
> faraday cage and put the avionics outside of it.
>
> Stealth Pilot
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Author: RTRT Date: Sep 6, 2008 05:06
"Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> wrote in message
news:n7l4c41mguerg0a4qo6g9dobq7abvf0g6d@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:45:54 +1000, Sylvia Else
> wrote:
>
>
>>Of course, it doesn't help when the government implements rules
>>prohibiting nail files and toothpicks in the cabin, because such absurd
>>rules taint others by association.
>>
>
> of course. and if aeroplanes have such simple problems to fix why
> arent they fixed in the designs?.
> it cant be too damn difficult to make the passenger compartment a
> faraday cage and put the avionics outside of it.
Perzackery, Stealth. Lots of this stuff is just not logical. Turn off
mobile fones at the servo. Yeah, right. I chuck an audible, visible spark
about 7 mm when I get out of the car - and I'm supposed...
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Author: Sylvia ElseSylvia Else Date: Sep 6, 2008 05:19
RT wrote:
> "Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> wrote in message
> news:n7l4c41mguerg0a4qo6g9dobq7abvf0g6d@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:45:54 +1000, Sylvia Else
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Of course, it doesn't help when the government implements rules
>>> prohibiting nail files and toothpicks in the cabin, because such absurd
>>> rules taint others by association.
>>>
>> of course. and if aeroplanes have such simple problems to fix why
>> arent they fixed in the designs?.
>> it cant be too damn difficult to make the passenger compartment a
>> faraday cage and put the avionics outside of it.
>
> Perzackery, Stealth. Lots of this stuff is just not logical. Turn off
> mobile fones at the servo. Yeah, right. I chuck an audible, visible spark
> about 7 mm when I get out of the car - and I'm supposed to worry about a
> mobile phone? Erm - in spite of the several hundred amps the starter ...
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Author: Stealth PilotStealth Pilot Date: Sep 7, 2008 05:24
On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Sylvia Else
wrote:
>RT wrote:
>> "Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:n7l4c41mguerg0a4qo6g9dobq7abvf0g6d@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:45:54 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>>
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