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Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: BernieFlyer
Date: Aug 29, 2008 16:49

Hi Team

I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop. I was
taught to never operate with engine power (manifold pressure) greater
than rpm eg 23 inches of MP and 2,300 rpm. I have read though that this
is something of an old wives tale and that indeed there can be
advantages in reducing rpm and running the engine with say 24 inches and
2,200 rpm. This reduces cylinder wear and piston speeds but does it
stress the engine to a higher level? There is a lot about "big bore" IO
540s and how they are getting better life running oversquare. The IO 360
is a 4 vs a six but the cylinders in both have the same capacity.

I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.

Bernie
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: Alan Peake
Date: Aug 29, 2008 20:12

BernieFlyer wrote:
> Hi Team
>
> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop.
........
> I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
> anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.
>
> Bernie

What does the manufacturer recommend?
Alan
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: BernieFlyer
Date: Aug 30, 2008 00:59

Alan Peake wrote:
>
>
> BernieFlyer wrote:
>> Hi Team
>>
>> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop.
> ........
>
>> I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
>> anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.
>>
>> Bernie
>
> What does the manufacturer recommend?
> Alan
>
The manufacturer (Lycoming) allows quite a large range of settings. They
also say that "square" is a carry-over from radial engines but I guess
before I go against all that advice to keep the engine square I was ...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: RT
Date: Aug 30, 2008 04:10

"BernieFlyer" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan Peake wrote:
>>
>>
>> BernieFlyer wrote:
>>> Hi Team
>>>
>>> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop.
>> ........
>>
>>> I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
>>> anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.
>>>
>>> Bernie
>>
>> What does the manufacturer recommend?
>> Alan
>>
> The manufacturer (Lycoming) allows quite a large range of settings. They ...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: AA
Date: Aug 30, 2008 05:33

BernieFlyer wrote:
> Hi Team
>
> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop. I was
> taught to never operate with engine power (manifold pressure) greater
> than rpm eg 23 inches of MP and 2,300 rpm. I have read though that this
> is something of an old wives tale and that indeed there can be
> advantages in reducing rpm and running the engine with say 24 inches and
> 2,200 rpm. This reduces cylinder wear and piston speeds but does it
> stress the engine to a higher level? There is a lot about "big bore" IO
> 540s and how they are getting better life running oversquare. The IO 360
> is a 4 vs a six but the cylinders in both have the same capacity.
>
> I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
> anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.
>
> Bernie
I know a few pilots that run their engines oversquare. They all have
engine monitoring for each cylinder.
AA ...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: AA
Date: Aug 30, 2008 05:47

AA wrote:
> BernieFlyer wrote:
>> Hi Team
>>
>> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop. I was
>> taught to never operate with engine power (manifold pressure) greater
>> than rpm eg 23 inches of MP and 2,300 rpm. I have read though that
>> this is something of an old wives tale and that indeed there can be
>> advantages in reducing rpm and running the engine with say 24 inches
>> and 2,200 rpm. This reduces cylinder wear and piston speeds but does
>> it stress the engine to a higher level? There is a lot about "big
>> bore" IO 540s and how they are getting better life running oversquare.
>> The IO 360 is a 4 vs a six but the cylinders in both have the same
>> capacity.
>>
>> I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
>> anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.
>>
>> Bernie
> I know a few pilots that run their engines oversquare. They all have ...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: BernieFlyer
Date: Aug 30, 2008 22:09

RT wrote:
> "BernieFlyer" gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rs-dnWbbUNZVYCXVnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>
>> Alan Peake wrote:
>>
>>> BernieFlyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Team
>>>>
>>>> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop.
>>>>
>>> ........
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am interested in the views of those more of an engineering bent or
>>>> anyone who has a well informed view on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> Bernie
>>>> ...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: MICK MULLER
Date: Aug 31, 2008 02:58

Howdy Bernie, have a read of the following article by John Deakin.
http://www.warmkessel.com/jr/flying/td/jd/78.jsp
Actually, lots of articles by Deakin will argue that oversquare myth is
just that.
If you get the time, search around for a book by Kas Thomas called Fly the
engine. It is most illuminating. Apart from agreeing with Deakin that
oversquare is a hangover from the days of big radials, it also suggests that
leaning in the ascent is an acceptable practice, something that I had been
warned against in the past.
I often go back and refer to it whenever I hear people talk about shock
cooling - I am still yet to see any evidence that shock cooling exists.
However, I have seen plenty of evidence of bent or broken valve guides due
to stuck valves.
Mick

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> Hi Team
>
> I have an IO 360 engine with a 3 bladed constant speed prop. I was taught...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: Stealth Pilot
Date: Aug 31, 2008 06:49

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:58:53 GMT, "MICK MULLER"
BIGPOND.COM> wrote:
>Howdy Bernie, have a read of the following article by John Deakin.
>http://www.warmkessel.com/jr/flying/td/jd/78.jsp
>Actually, lots of articles by Deakin will argue that oversquare myth is
>just that...
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Re: Running IO 360 Oversquare         


Author: BernieFlyer
Date: Aug 31, 2008 17:49

MICK MULLER wrote:
> Howdy Bernie, have a read of the following article by John Deakin.
> http://www.warmkessel.com/jr/flying/td/jd/78.jsp
> Actually, lots of articles by Deakin will argue that oversquare myth is
> just that.
> If you get the time, search around for a book by Kas Thomas called Fly the
> engine. It is most illuminating. Apart from agreeing with Deakin that
> oversquare is a hangover from the days of big radials, it also suggests that
> leaning in the ascent is an acceptable practice, something that I had been
> warned against in the past.
> I often go back and refer to it whenever I hear people talk about shock
> cooling - I am still yet to see any evidence that shock cooling exists.
> However, I have seen plenty of evidence of bent or broken valve guides due
> to stuck valves.
> Mick
>
> "BernieFlyer" gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:y6mdndyT5IadFiXVnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>
>> Hi Team ...
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