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Re: Raptors for the RAAF. Nelson's resignation imminent         


Author: B J Foster
Date: Feb 26, 2008 12:30

B J Foster wrote:
> netvegetable wrote:
>> Comparing the specs of the F-22 Raptor, and the Sukhoi Su 37, as
>> presented in wikipedia.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor#Specifications_.28F-22_Raptor.29
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_37#Specifications_.28Su-37.29
>>
>> It would appear that the Sukhoi is not only faster, but has a range of
>> 3,700 km (as compared to the 750km on the Raptor).
>>
>> With a range like that, a Su 37 based at Edinburgh airforce base in SA
>> could fly to Darwin in a couple of hours, then be ready to strike targets
>> deep into Asia.
>>
>> Why are we bothering to consider the Raptor, let alone the silly JSF?
>>
>
> The range that you quoted for the Raptor is complete hogwash. ...
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Re: Raptors for the RAAF. Nelson's resignation imminent         


Author: rb
Date: Feb 26, 2008 23:20

B J Foster wrote:
[snip]
> Now that we have their attention, we should remind Gates that any
> increase in production reduces the cost to the USAF *and* equipping
> close allies with the same hardware increases the effectiveness of the
> USAF for no cost. It follows that Australia should be getting a whopping
> discount, at least 50%% given that the costs are almost all upfront R&D.

I'm not sure it's that simple.
With regards to the JSF, the yanks will be keeping the most capable
version. Partner nations like Australia get a lesser capable version.
Same case would apply to any Raptor exports - and there isn't any lesser
Raptor version ATM. It's been postulated that it'd cost about $1 billion
to develop such.
Guess who'd have to pay that billion 'development' cost?
Regards lowering the cost of Raptors for the US. Currently only 183 or
so are funded. The cost of those on a per unit basis are already done
and dusted. Export orders will not affect those prices. That the USAF
would want more is not in doubt. What is in doubt is whether they will
get any more.
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Re: Raptors for the RAAF. Nelson's resignation imminent         


Author: DC
Date: Feb 27, 2008 03:45

rb said the following on 27/02/2008 4:20 PM:
> I'm not sure it's that simple.
> With regards to the JSF, the yanks will be keeping the most capable
> version. Partner nations like Australia get a lesser capable version.
> Same case would apply to any Raptor exports - and there isn't any lesser
> Raptor version ATM. It's been postulated that it'd cost about $1 billion
> to develop such.

Actually, if I was the British I'd be really pissed off about the F-35.
As far as I know the US had full access to all the technology in the
Harrier when they started using.

Yet the UK had a lot of trouble getting full technology access to its
replacement, the F-35, even though they helped develop it. They also
contributed $2.5US to the development cost.
> Guess who'd have to pay that billion 'development' cost?
> Regards lowering the cost of Raptors for the US. Currently only 183 or
> so are funded. The cost of those on a per unit basis are already done
> and dusted. Export orders will not affect those prices. That the USAF
> would want more is not in doubt. What is in doubt is whether they will
> get any more.
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