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Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: Marts
Date: Aug 21, 2007 22:31

In today's Crikey.com newsletter (Squatter's version).

Report on an A330 not having enough fuel to reach PER.

I wonder what it would take to get the proper category ILS equipment installed
so that such events aren't an issue. Seems that a few flights to MEL in recent
times have had to be diverted because of fog.

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/docs/aair200605473-001-5d53a18c-7190-4630-9331-148af17ac26b...

"Mayday!" Qantas jet dices with ditching off Perth
Ben Sandilands writes:

As if a fake ground engineer and dodgy electrical repairs weren’t enough to
rattle Qantas regulars, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has dropped an
incident report which reminds the airline of the need to make sure its jets have
enough fuel to reach Perth.

The report says that on 16 September last year the crew of a Qantas A330
approaching Perth from Singapore for a midnight landing made two missed
approaches in fog and then called "Mayday", the international distress signal,
as they made a risky autoland approach.
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: Sylvia Else
Date: Aug 21, 2007 23:04

Marts wrote:
> In today's Crikey.com newsletter (Squatter's version).
>
> Report on an A330 not having enough fuel to reach PER.
>
> I wonder what it would take to get the proper category ILS equipment installed
> so that such events aren't an issue. Seems that a few flights to MEL in recent
> times have had to be diverted because of fog.
>
> http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/docs/aair200605473-001-5d53a18c-7190-4630-9331-148af17ac26b...
>
> "Mayday!" Qantas jet dices with ditching off Perth
> Ben Sandilands writes:
>
> As if a fake ground engineer and dodgy electrical repairs weren’t enough to
> rattle Qantas regulars, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has dropped an
> incident report which reminds the airline of the need to make sure its jets have
> enough fuel to...
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Date: Aug 21, 2007 23:06

"Marts" yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:5cinc3d3mge5v02b6njthd4ndi0tea70r2@4ax.com...
> Report on an A330 not having enough fuel to reach PER.

From the ATSB Report:

The crew calculated that at the completion of the approach
the aircraft would have about 30 minutes margin
over the minimum fuel reserves.

About 60-75mins of fuel remaining!
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: Rob
Date: Aug 21, 2007 23:23

GB wrote:
> Marts yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> news:5cinc3d3mge5v02b6njthd4ndi0tea70r2@4ax.com:
> [...]
>
>>The report says that on 16 September last year the crew of a Qantas
>>A330 approaching Perth from Singapore for a midnight landing made two
>>missed approaches in fog and then called "Mayday", the international
>>distress signal, as they made a risky autoland approach.
>
> [...]
>
>>While Qantas international pilots are trained in autoland procedures
>>at some overseas airports, they are not approved for anything other
>>than emergency use at Australian airports because none have ground
>>based navigational aids that are certified as reliably generating
>>signals of sufficient accuracy for such ultra low visibility landings.
>
> [...]
> ...
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Date: Aug 21, 2007 23:25

"RMK" yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:46cbd25f$0$18304$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
|
| "Marts" yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
| news:5cinc3d3mge5v02b6njthd4ndi0tea70r2@4ax.com...
|
| > Report on an A330 not having enough fuel to reach PER.
|
| From the ATSB Report:
|
| The crew calculated that at the completion of the approach
| the aircraft would have about 30 minutes margin
| over the minimum fuel reserves.
|
| About 60-75mins of fuel remaining!
|
|

That may buy you another hour around Perth, but still may not successfully
get you to an alternate.
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: Sylvia Else
Date: Aug 21, 2007 23:36

GB wrote:
> Marts yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> news:5cinc3d3mge5v02b6njthd4ndi0tea70r2@4ax.com:
> [...]
>> The report says that on 16 September last year the crew of a Qantas
>> A330 approaching Perth from Singapore for a midnight landing made two
>> missed approaches in fog and then called "Mayday", the international
>> distress signal, as they made a risky autoland approach.
> [...]
>> While Qantas international pilots are trained in autoland procedures
>> at some overseas airports, they are not approved for anything other
>> than emergency use at Australian airports because none have ground
>> based navigational aids that are certified as reliably generating
>> signals of sufficient accuracy for such ultra low visibility landings.
> [...]
>
> Reading between the lines: The 'mayday'...
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Date: Aug 22, 2007 00:05

"Sylvia Else" wrote in message
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>> Reading between the lines: The 'mayday' call was made so as to render
>> the autoland legal. (At least that's what I see written
>> between the lines anyway)
>
> No - it would be legal anyway - law of necessity.
>
> Sylvia.

No it wasn't legal (hence the incident report and the ATSB involvement);

But it became necessary!
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: Sylvia Else
Date: Aug 22, 2007 00:18

RMK wrote:
> "Sylvia Else" wrote in message
> news:46cbd98b$0$13999$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>>> Reading between the lines: The 'mayday' call was made so as to render
>>> the autoland legal. (At least that's what I see written
>>> between the lines anyway)
>
>> No - it would be legal anyway - law of necessity.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> No it wasn't legal (hence the incident report and the ATSB involvement);
>
> But it became necessary!
>
>
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: AA
Date: Aug 22, 2007 01:01

Sylvia Else wrote:
>
> That's better than nothing, but it doesn't deal with other problems that
> might result in Perth being unavailable, such as an accident.
>
> Sylvia.
Aircraft don't carry alternate fuel in case of an accident.
ATC Managers have the authority to have a disabled aircraft removed from
a runway - including bulldozer.
AA
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Re: Qantas A330 nearly out of juice approaching PER?         


Author: away-pits
Date: Aug 22, 2007 01:18

On Aug 22, 2:23 pm, Rob mine.com> wrote:
> GB wrote:
>> Marts yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>news:5cinc3d3mge5v02b6njthd4ndi0tea70r2@4ax.com:
>> [...]
>
>>>The report says that on 16 September last year the crew of a Qantas
>>>A330 approaching Perth from Singapore for a midnight landing made two
>>>missed approaches in fog and then called "Mayday", the international
>>>distress signal, as they made a risky autoland approach.
>
>> [...]
>
>>>While Qantas international pilots are trained in autoland procedures
>>>at some overseas airports, they are not approved for anything other
>>>than emergency use at Australian airports because none have ground
>>>based navigational aids that are certified as reliably generating
>>>signals of sufficient accuracy for such ultra low visibility landings.
>
>> [...] ...
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