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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Coop
Date: Feb 1, 2008 05:35

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:59:19 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:58:42 +1030, Coop
>chariotnose.netwheel.au> wrote:
>
>Really glad you had good landings after every problem, and I applaud
>your prudence in deciding not to push your luck...
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Stealth Pilot
Date: Feb 2, 2008 05:00

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
wrote:
>Avoiding bad luck is what I am talking about.
>
>Over the last thirty odd years, I can recall some 5 cases (from the
>crash comics) where troubleshooting one duff magneto in flight
>resulted in a stopped...
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Ned
Date: Feb 2, 2008 07:20

Stealth Pilot wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Avoiding bad luck is what I am talking about.
>>
>> Over the last thirty odd years, I can recall some 5 cases (from the
>> crash comics) where troubleshooting one duff magneto in flight
>> resulted in a stopped engine that could not be restarted before
>> landing. No significant injuries happened as a result of the
>> subsequent landings. In two cases, the aircraft were damaged by
>> hitting obstructions that the pilots were not aware off. In three, the
>> landing was uneventful. In all cases, the only engine defect was in
>> the timing or function of one magneto.
>>
>> All of those cases happened in circumstances similar to the ones you
>> describe, in close proximity to an airport or air strip, pilot
>> confident of having somewhere to land, and of being able to glide to
>> the strip if the engine stopped. ...
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: RT
Date: Feb 2, 2008 18:19

"Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Avoiding bad luck is what I am talking about.
>>
>>Over the last thirty odd years, I can recall some 5 cases (from the
>>crash comics) where troubleshooting one duff magneto in flight
>>resulted in a stopped engine that could not be restarted before
>>landing.
................[snip]
>>That's why I say that it might not be such a good idea to do that
>>troubleshooting in the air.
>>
>>There are plenty of other circumstances where it might be a good idea
>>to do that troubleshooting in the air.
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Coop
Date: Feb 3, 2008 03:07

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Coop
Date: Feb 3, 2008 03:14

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:00:17 +0900, Stealth Pilot
aeroplanes.com.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Avoiding bad luck is what I am talking about.
>>
>>Over the last thirty odd years, I can recall some 5 cases (from...
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Coop
Date: Feb 3, 2008 03:17

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:20:12 +1000, Ned aioe.org> wrote:
>Stealth Pilot wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Avoiding bad luck is what I am talking about.
>>>
>>> Over the last thirty odd years...
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Coop
Date: Feb 3, 2008 03:20

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:19:23 +1000, "RT" nowhere.com.au>
wrote:
>
>"Stealth Pilot" aeroplanes.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:45:20 +0900, Paul Saccani omen.net.au>
>> wrote...
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Ned
Date: Feb 3, 2008 03:46

Coop wrote:
>
> I've been told it is possible to "dive start" an engine with no
> electric starter (like my Auster and the Tiger) but that you should
> forget about it unless you have at least 4,000' to play with.

As I mentioned recently Coop this was a normal procedure when I trained
initially and was also taught to all WW2 pilot trainees.
>The
> instructor that told me had actually carried this procedure out once,
> (in an Auster) that's how he knew. He said that you needed to get the
> nose down abruptly and steeply in order to accellerate as quickly as
> possible, with the throttle only just above idle and the magnetos on.
>
Precisely - very quick and *very* steeply. Mind you my instructor was well
experienced in steep dives - his previous job was driving Ju-87s for Herr
Goering. His peel off into the dive had to be experienced. 3000' IIRC.

Cheers

Ned
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Re: (Long) Dorothy and The Navigator Gang Up         


Author: Ned
Date: Feb 3, 2008 03:49

Coop wrote:
>
> And let's not attack Saccas- get stuck into his arguments if you wish
> (he'll give as good as he gets)- I think some of his points a valid.
>
Some are Coop. Many aren't - but nobody seems game to call him on them - he's
playing the group for fools.
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